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Conspiracy Theories: Confused About 9/11

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12 Sep 2008, NewAgeIslam.Com

Conspiracy Theories: Confused About 9/11

 

Cliff May: Townhall.com Columnist

Thursday, September 11, 2008

 

I'm attending the World Summit on Counter-Terrorism in this Tel Aviv suburb and I'm having a coffee and reading the International Herald Tribune. And there on page 2 is a feature, dateline Cairo, reporting that seven years after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the "conventional wisdom" in the Middle East is that "the United States and Israel had to have been involved" in the planning, if not the execution of the mass murder.

 

A Syrian engineer says the U.S. organized 9/11 as an "excuse to invade Iraq for the oil." An Egyptian driver claims that "everybody knows" the Jews stayed home from work that morning. A student planning to go into the tourism business says Americans can't be trusted because "they killed Saddam, tortured people."

 

And Wahid Abdel Meguid, deputy director of the "government-financed Al Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies" says that Arabs and Muslims believe "the United States has a prejudice against them. So they never think the United States is well intentioned and they always feel that whatever it does has something behind it."

 

No less distressing than these opinions is the pose adopted by the foreign correspondent, Michael Slackman. The demands of political correctness in the elite media being what they are he has not found a single source who will suggest that the prevalence of such attitudes reflects the fact that governments and media in the Middle East routinely spread anti-American and anti-Semitic slanders. He does not note that schools in the region instil bias while neglecting critical thinking. He can't even raise the possibility – however gently -- that the persistence of such beliefs, long after the details of al-Qaeda's plot have been made public, may reveal a pathology in the culture of the contemporary Arab Middle East.

 

Instead, the only theory given ink is that such ideas demonstrate "the first failure in the war on terror – the inability to convince people here that the United States is, indeed, waging a campaign against terrorism, not a crusade against Muslims."

 

So it's due to the inadequacies of U.S. public diplomacy that the fabled Arab Street thinks Americans incinerated fellow Americans as part of a "crusade" against them?

 

Of course, it might help if reporters like Slackman mentioned to his interlocutors that there is no evidence the U.S. has stolen so much as a drop of Iraqi oil. Evidently, it did not occur to him to ask those he interviewed whether they are equally angry over the serial bombings of Iraqi civilians by al-Qaeda terrorists, and the assassinations carried out by Iranian-backed militias. Or do they think those murders, too, were masterminded by the CIA and the Mossad? And he didn't bother to ask them if they are aware that such atrocities have dramatically diminished thanks to the efforts of the American military working hand-in-hand with their Iraqis comrades-in arms.

 

He might have elicited some interesting responses had he pointed out that Americans in recent years have repeatedly sacrificed blood and treasure to rescue Muslim communities.

 

Americans intervened in the Balkans to protect Bosnia and Kosovo from hostile Christian neighbours. Americans saved Kuwait from the savagery of Saddam Hussein. America liberated Afghanistan from the Taliban, an al-Qaeda proxy. He could have mentioned, too, the billions in aid that American taxpayers have given to the Palestinians.

 

Instead, Slackman tells us that "experts here" say that Americans might better understand the region "if they simply listen to what people are saying – and try to understand why they are saying it – rather than take offence." He adds: "The broad view here is that even before Sept. 11, the United States was not a fair broker in the Arab-Israeli conflict and that it then capitalized on the terror attacks to buttress Israel and undermine the Muslim Arab world."

 

Yes, it all comes back to Israel: Supporting the idea of a secure Jewish state living in peace next door to an independent Palestinian state, is just not fair! So, in response, it must be expected that extremists will slaughter innocents, while those of a less activist bent blame Israelis and Americans for the crimes, and the "experts" accuse Americans of exploiting their dead. After listening carefully to that, who could take offence?

 

Slackman concludes by saying: "Trying to convince people here that it was not a quest for oil or a war on Muslims is like persuading many Americans that it was, and that the Sept. 11 attacks were the first steps."

 

And who can say which is true and which is a deranged conspiracy theory? Seven years after 9/11, clearly not Slackman and the International Herald Tribune.

 

 Clifford D. May is the President of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

 

Source:

http://townhall.com/columnists/CliffMay/2008/09/11/conspiracy_theories_confused_about_911?page=full&comments=true

 

 

 

Memo From Cairo: 9/11 Rumours That Become Conventional Wisdom

 

 

The planning and execution of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, are a continuing topic of conversation all over Cairo.

 

 

By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

Published: September 8, 2008

 

CAIRO — Seven years later, it remains conventional wisdom here that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda could not have been solely responsible for the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and that the United States and Israel had to have been involved in their planning, if not their execution, too.

 

Many in Cairo see the attacks as part of an anti-Muslim plot.

 

This is not the conclusion of a scientific survey, but it is what routinely comes up in conversations around the region — in a shopping mall in Dubai, in a park in Algiers, in a cafe in Riyadh and all over Cairo.

 

"Look, I don't believe what your governments and press say. It just can't be true," said Ahmed Issab, 26, a Syrian engineer who lives and works in the United Arab Emirates. "Why would they tell the truth? I think the U.S. organized this so that they had an excuse to invade Iraq for the oil."

 

It is easy for Americans to dismiss such thinking as bizarre. But that would miss a point that people in this part of the world think Western leaders, especially in Washington, need to understand: That such ideas persist represents the first failure in the fight against terrorism — the inability to convince people here that the United States is, indeed, waging a campaign against terrorism, not a crusade against Muslims.

 

"The United States should be concerned because in order to tell people that there is a real evil, they too have to believe it in order to help you," said Mushairy al-Thaidy, a columnist in the Saudi-owned regional newspaper Asharq al Awsat. "Otherwise, it will diminish your ability to fight terrorism. It is not the kind of battle you can fight on your own; it is a collective battle."

 

There were many reasons people here said they believed that the attacks of 9/11 were part of a conspiracy against Muslims. Some had nothing to do with Western actions, and some had everything to do with Western policies.

 

Again and again, people said they simply did not believe that a group of Arabs — like themselves — could possibly have waged such a successful operation against a superpower like the United States. But they also said that Washington's post-9/11 foreign policy proved that the United States and Israel were behind the attacks, especially with the invasion of Iraq.

 

"Maybe people who executed the operation were Arabs, but the brains? No way," said Mohammed Ibrahim, 36, a clothing-store owner in the Bulaq neighbourhood of Cairo. "It was organized by other people, the United States or the Israelis."

 

The rumours that spread shortly after 9/11 have been passed on so often that people no longer know where or when they first heard them. At this point, they have heard them so often, even on television, that they think they must be true.

 

First among these is that Jews did not go to work at the World Trade Centre on that day. Asked how Jews might have been notified to stay home, or how they kept it a secret from co-workers, people here wave off the questions because they clash with their bedrock conviction that Jews are behind many of their troubles and that Western Jews will go to any length to protect Israel.

 

"Why is it that on 9/11, the Jews didn't go to work in the building," said Ahmed Saied, 25, who works in Cairo as a driver for a lawyer. "Everybody knows this. I saw it on TV, and a lot of people talk about this."

 

Zein al-Abdin, 42, an electrician, who was drinking tea and chain-smoking cheap Cleopatra cigarettes in Al Shahat, a cafe in Bulaq, grew more and more animated as he laid out his thinking about what happened on Sept. 11.

 

"What matters is we think it was an attack against Arabs," he said of the passenger planes crashing into American targets. "Why is it that they never caught him, bin Laden? How can they not know where he is when they know everything? They don't catch him because he hasn't done it. What happened in Iraq confirms that it has nothing to do with bin Laden or Qaeda. They went against Arabs and against Islam to serve Israel, that's why."

 

There is a reason so many people here talk with casual certainty — and no embarrassment — about the United States attacking itself to have a reason to go after Arabs and help Israel. It is a reflection of how they view government leaders, not just in Washington, but here in Egypt and throughout the Middle East. They do not believe them. The state-owned media are also distrusted. Therefore, they think that if the government is insisting that bin Laden was behind it, he must not have been.

 

"Mubarak says whatever the Americans want him to say, and he's lying for them, of course," Mr. Ibrahim said of Hosni Mubarak, Egypt's president.

 

Americans might better understand the region, experts here said, if they simply listen to what people are saying — and try to understand why — rather than taking offence. The broad view here is that even before Sept. 11, the United States was not a fair broker in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and that it then capitalized on the attacks to buttress Israel and undermine the Muslim Arab world.

 

The single greatest proof, in most people's eyes, was the invasion of Iraq. Trying to convince people here that it was not a quest for oil or a war on Muslims is like convincing many Americans that it was, and that the 9/11 attacks were the first step.

 

"It is the result of widespread mistrust, and the belief among Arabs and Muslims that the United States has a prejudice against them," said Wahid Abdel Meguid, deputy director of the government-financed Al Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies, the nation's premier research centre. "So they never think the United States is well intentioned, and they always feel that whatever it does has something behind it."

 

Hisham Abbas, 22, studies tourism at Cairo University and hopes one day to work with foreigners for a living. But he does not give it a second thought when asked about Sept. 11. He said it made no sense at all that Mr. bin Laden could have carried out such an attack from Afghanistan. And like everyone else interviewed, he saw the events of the last seven years as proof positive that it was all a United States plan to go after Muslims.

 

"There are Arabs who hate America, a lot of them, but this is too much," Mr. Abbas said as he fidgeted with his cell phone. "And look at what happened after this — the Americans invaded two Muslim countries. They used 9/11 as an excuse and went to Iraq. They killed Saddam, tortured people. How can you trust them?"

 

Nadim Audi contributed reporting.

Source:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/world/africa/09cairo.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

 

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Reply # 1

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 12:40 PM EST

Subject: TIME AND GEOGRAPHY

Mr. May, you are not going back far enough and not casting your net wide enough.

 

TIME: This is the 325th anniversary of the Battle at the Gates of Vienna in which King Jan Sobieski of Poland and the Catholics of Austria defeated (on Sept 11-12, 1683) the Ottoman Muslims. We are not fighting a War on Terrorism but fighting defensive battles in various theatres of the 1378 year old war called JIHAD.

 

SPACE: Quoting the same verses that Al Queda and Hamas quote, Indonesia's Muslim warriors Jamal Islamiyah and Philippine's Muslim warriors, Abu Sayif, make their own contributions to world wide war JIHAD. As, it could be argued, do the Muslim Somali cab drivers and meatpackers in Minnesota with their demands for "submission" to ever-widening accommodations to their Sharia laws. It is the fervour for a common Islamic socio-political ideology which connects the dots.

 

My point is we Americans are myopic. Our ignorance of history and geography make us think there was something unique in the mass murder by Islamic jihadis on September 11, 2001. It was just more of the same. Ask the Armenians, ask the Assyrian Christians, the Maronite Rite Catholics of Lebanon, the Thai Buddhists, the Bahai, the Hindus and even the Zoroastrians of Persia, if you can find any.

 

Like a volcano, Islamic jihad has sometimes lain dormant for decades but, as Hillaire Belloc correctly predicted in the 1930's, it will erupt again and again in its quest for the supremacy of ISLAM (a word which means "submission").

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Jack Location: PA

Reply # 2

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 12:53 PM EST

CLiffy Confused

CLiff is too happy to miss the point so he can do more media bashing.

 

The reality is that American policy in the Middle East is a disaster. We cannot control the propaganda of our enemies. But we can structure our policies so that they do not create such fertile ground for that propaganda. That's what is in our control. In this context, that's what we need to take from the story.

 

But, then again, never let something that will work get in the way of a good media bashing.

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Skywalker81 Location: AL

Reply # 3

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 1:13 PM EST

Subject: Hate is irrational...

and most Muslim countries are "taught" to hate Israel and the United States because we support Israel. Anti-America press corps print what ever propaganda they can to paint the US in a bad light and continue to hatred. There are times when the U.S. doesn't help its own cause by doing things that make us appear arrogant. The bottom line is the U.S. has done more to help the needy and down-trodden in the world than ANY other country and probably all countries combined. Some appreciate what we have done and many resent our ability to do so. Just remember that someday, we may stay home and let you rot in your hell hole.

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cleverness_of_me Location: NY

Reply # 4

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 1:21 PM EST

I thought the Iraq War settled this

When Bush decided to invade Iraq, all we heard from the left was "Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11", "this war will distract from the hunt for bin Laden", "bin Laden blah blah blah bin Laden". I thought that meant that everyone agreed that bin Laden did it.

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JamesB Location: MD

Reply # 5

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 1:25 PM EST

Subject: Jack

What disaster? Chicago has been more dangerous than Iraq this Summer.

PS What would you have done after 9/11? Apologize? Whine? Complain?

Liberals are abject cowards

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nmi Location: NJ

Reply # 6

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 1:34 PM EST

Whe we DO KNOW about pre-9/11

 

CLIFF MAY writes: "Who can say which is true and which is a deranged conspiracy theory (re 9/11)?"

 

What we DO KNOW regarding 9/11 is that, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, during the summer of 2001, Pres. Bush, concerned about the reports of an imminent terrorist attack, directed the CIA to advise Mr. Bush if any of the threats pointed to an attack upon the United States.

 

According to the 9/11 Report, two CIA agents, in response to the directive, via the Aug. 6, 2001 President's Daily Brief (PDB), warned Pres. Bush that "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." was "CURRENT AND SERIOUS."

 

And yet, despite the immediacy of the warning, and despite the fact Pres. Bush was well aware of Osama bin Laden's desire to attack the U.S., Mr. Bush, a graduate of Yale with an MBA from Harvard, told the 9/11 Commission that he, Pres. Bush, regarded the warning as "historical in nature"!

 

Five weeks later the terrorists struck the U.S. and some 3,000 people died on our soil.

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Lon Location: PA

Reply # 7

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 1:51 PM EST

Subject: wow

I actually thought May would finally write an article I agreed with. After all, only the uninformed and conspiracy minded think that anyone but bin Laden was behind 9/11. Although I saw an article today reminding us that some of those people still think it was Hussein rather than bin Laden.

 

But given the topic it is amazing who bad a column it turns out to be. May is actually arguing that correspondents should be out there trying to educate the Arab populace rather than gathering accurate information about them. Certainly it would be nice to have people trying to educate the Arab populace, but it is inane to criticize a correspondent for doing his job instead of Karen Hughes' old job.

 

But May manages to be worse than that by running together the conspiracy theorists with anyone who dislikes us. The person who doesn't trust as because we killed Saddam Hussein and tortured people is probably responding to the fact that our invasion led to the execution of Hussein by a government we put in place, and the fact that we have tortured people. That is not a conspiracy theory, it is just paying attention to the news.

 

And the reason that the Muslims think that we are prejudiced against them may well be that we take seriously people like May and Gaffney who are prejudiced against Muslims.

 

There is no question that better public relations would help us with the Arab world, but May's idea that this is separate from understanding the attitudes of the Arab world is just bizarre.

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Standshisground Location: MO

Reply # 8

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 2:53 PM EST

Wonder if.....

...the Muslim governments who routinely lie to their people about who was responsible for 9/11 have ever shown on their state-controlled TV networks the Bin Laden videotape we here in the U.S. saw last Thanksgiving in which Bin Laden claimed SOLE responsibility for the 9/11 attack? Why do I get the feeling that the answer is no?

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Ron Location: NJ

Reply # 9

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 3:14 PM EST

Subject: Hey Jack maybe our policy in ...

The Middle East would not be such a disaster if Liberals like you were not so enthusiastically determined to make it so :)

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Happy Jake Location: VA

Reply # 10

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 3:22 PM EST

Hey, Slackman

When a woman is raped is it her fault for enticing the rapist by simply being a woman?

 

When a bank is robbed is it the bank's fault for actually storing money in its vault?

 

Was Martin Luther King to blame for his assassination because he spoke out against racism?

 

Were the millions exterminated by Nazi Germany, Communist China and the Soviet Union responsible for their own deaths by not falling precisely in line with Party ideology?

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Independent Thinker Location: MI

Reply # 11

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 3:38 PM EST

Subject: Lon;

Yeah, you thought it was going to be a "good" column when you thought he was saying things you agreed with. When it didn't go the way you expected, you disparage it.

Typical lib tenet: It is good if it says things with which I agree; if it says anything with which I disagree, it is bad.

'Nuff said.

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renny Location: NJ

Reply # 12

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 3:47 PM EST

We should be less exercised about

what in the world a pres. would do a few weeks or few months before an attack when there is no indication in even what region of the country let alone what specific target was sought. Should Bush have declared martial law and ordered all persons confined to their houses until the attack took place?

 

And we should all be much more grateful that there have been no other attacks on our soil and minimal overseas disasters, save the Spanish train assault.

 

The left thinks these things are all somehow rabbits pulled out of a hat. As it is safely protected by the Const. and 1st Amend, the left is free to blather constantly about its rights being suppressed by the war on terror and how terrible we are in treating foreign rogue combatants who fight without uniform or country,

 

but the fact is no atomic dirty bomb has detonated in Times Squire, nothing has brought down the Sears Tower, no assault has been made against LAX, and the *news* and other organs of socialism and Marxism do nothing but whine and contribute nothing to US security and often work assiduously to undermine both domestic and foreign interests of Am.

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GovtFlu Location: CA

Reply # 13

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 4:01 PM EST

Subject: Roughly 1/2 the world is "confused"?

It's not so confusing, look at 9/11 objectively without any silly nationalistic knee jerk bias and one thing becomes clear: the US govts story is absurd. Operation Northwoods anyone?

 

16,000 people in 17 countries polled, when asked: "who do you think was behind the 9/11 attacks?" On average, fewer than half said Al Qaeda. 22% said it was a US/Israel. Britons (26%), French (23%), and Italians (21%) say they do not know who was behind 9/11. 23% of Germans & 15% of Italians blame the US gov.

 

60% of Pakistanis believe the so called 'war on terror' seeks to weaken the Muslim world, 15% think its goal is to 'ensure US domination over Pakistan.

 

44% of Pakistanis believe the United States is the greatest threat to their personal safety, the Pakistani Taliban less than 10%.

 

Its obvious the DC Mafias failed foreign policy is creating animus, which translates to lack of credibility.. wrapping yourself in the flag chanting USA USA while blaming their media wont change anything.

 

They are an ancient culture of proud people, they were writing laws long before the founding fathers were sperm.. the idea they're supposed to welcome armed invaders from a young nation and change they way they have lived for 1000s of years is total ignorance. They don't like us or want us there, why not listen and leave them alone?

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nmi Location: NJ

Reply # 14

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 4:06 PM EST

Recalling 9/11

 

For RENNY at 3:47 ... In June 2002, Egypt's Pres. Mubarak said in a New York Times interview that Egyptian intelligence had warned the U.S. about a week before 9/11 that terrorists were about to strike.

 

Pres. Bush in August 2004 stated that "after 9/11 we must take threats seriously," implying that before 9/11 he and his team DID NOT take seriously threats of terrorist attack.

 

According to conservative writer James Pinkerton "George W. Bush got a blunt warning five weeks prior to Sept. 11 and he did little or nothing."

 

And the fact is that Tom Kean, a Republican who chaired the 9/11 Commission, has said that the 9/11 attacks could have -- and should have -- been prevented.

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Leonard Location: FL

Reply # 15

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 4:34 PM EST

Subject: Israel Red Herring

May-you repeat the tired old canard about Israel. The Arab League has already endorsed the two state solution and Israel is currently at peace with Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. Israeli fanatics simply will not turn over the West Bank and go back to pre 67 borders.

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Retired Geek Location: VA

Reply # 16

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 6:28 PM EST

Communist Goals for America in 1963

 

I have the 45 goals the Communists have for America, that was read into the Congressional Record in 1963. You will be amazed at how the Communists have succeeded by 2008 - 45 years later. I have listed five (5) examples

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Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

 

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

 

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

 

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

 

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

 

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

 

http://HISfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/08/18/communists_45_g oals_in_1963.thtml

 

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DanNV Location: NV

Reply # 17

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 7:32 PM EST

Subject: Do you realize what this means?

All Muslims are Democrats, they too believe that America is the root cause of the problem.

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Taft Location: CA

Reply # 18

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 9:45 PM EST

9/11 and Corsi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yCfI3VmL88

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Taft Location: CA

Reply # 19

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 10:00 PM EST

Subject: DanNV

You shouldn't opine on things you're obviously very ignorant about. There use to be a large Muslim Republican community in the US. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan left a very bad and lingering taste in their mouths. Read the Kite Runner, it shows what I'm talking about. Your nutty pondering are probably in line with Palin's and is what makes her so dangerous near a position of power.

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curmudgeon Location: AR

Reply # 20

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 10:38 PM EST

Unfortunate fact

The unfortunate fact is that we are not going to win the war against Islamic fascism by preventing terrorist attacks. No one knows how many attacks it would take to eliminate the traitorous tendencies of the professional defeatists in the not yet Islamic world, but that is exactly what it will take. I suggest making Sharia the law of the land immediately, that way the traitors could see up close what it is that they are campaigning for. We are importing the worlds people anyway, why not selectively invite some imams as well as enforcers to make sure everyone prays properly, and all women are in their burkas. A few years of that and liberals might not be as ignorant as they love to be. When an attack occurs and the response is not to chant peaceful Muslims, peaceful Muslims, peaceful Muslims, but rather expel Muslims, then we might be starting to see the light.

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curmudgeon Location: AR

Reply # 21

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 10:48 PM EST

Subject: Taft

The breathtaking stupidity of your post requires a response. So the "large community of (peaceful) Muslims" that were republicans have a bad taste in their mouths because of the soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Wow. The republicans are somehow responsible for the soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Wow. Breathtaking. I have to hand it to you, I have seen some ignorant posts in town hall, but you get the prize for the most insipid of all. Let's see. Democratic administration. Republicans are a minority in the house and senate. An enemy of ours invades Afghanistan. And the peaceful Muslims in the Republican Party have a bad taste? Please, Taft, do yourself a huge favour and keep your fingers off the keyboard, that way not everyone will know how asinine you are.

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Taft Location: CA

Reply # 22

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 11:01 PM EST

Curmudgeon

My point was, not well put at that, is that Muslims hate the USSR and where very big Reagan fans.

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Taft Location: CA

Reply # 23

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 11:05 PM EST

Subject: curmudgeon

I just re-read my post and can't see how you got so confused. Are you in an old home and off your meds? Our health care has deteriorated so much.

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Curmudgeon Location: AR

Reply # 24

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 11:19 PM EST

taft.

i just reread your post and it is still ignorant. Personal attacks against me don't change that. If you keep your fingers off the keyboard, not everyone will know how ignorant AND malicious you are. Are you running for liberal of the year? There is a lot of competition, but i believe you have a shot at it.

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Jubba Location: CO

Reply # 25

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 11:23 PM EST

Subject: Simply Listen

Will you listen to yourselves? Are you really that ignorant? Who are you to look down on another being so blindly? Your ideology is distracting you from the truth. If you look around you, you will see that it isn't simply foreigners questioning the official story but millions of our very own Americans. I want you to see this site, without any of your judgement, please, if not for the 3,000 dead or thousands more murdered in the war, but for yourself, for knowledge.

 

http://www.911truth.org/

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Taft Location: CA

Reply # 26

Date: Sep 11, 2008 - 11:24 PM EST

curmudgeon

"Malicious"? Your post stated off the tone. The truth is that the USSR did horrible things in Afghanistan and maybe you can't believe it, but they are flesh and blood too, and learned to have communism, and consequently found Reagan and Republicans their perceived friend. If you even tried you could Google such information. I will only do to happy to be kind to like posters.

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Dave in Denver Location: CO

Reply # 27

Date: Sep 12, 2008 - 7:56 AM EST

Subject: It's Not on the Calendar

But there must be a full moon out.

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Barbara Location: PA

Reply # 28

Date: Sep 12, 2008 - 9:01 AM EST

Hatred of US?

Hey, the problem in the Middle East is the result of a 7th century barbarism trying to present itself as civilized in the 21st century. The only thing that will change it is to eliminate the barbarism. The people don't know anything else.

 

When the US developed these peoples' oil fields and educated the people to be able to operate them, they regarded it as a weakness and felt they could get away with their savagery.

 

I'm not prejudiced against Muslims, only against their stupidity in biting the hand that fed them.

 

Source:

http://townhall.com/columnists/CliffMay/2008/09/11/conspiracy_theories_confused_about_911?page=full&comments=true

 

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