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This is music to my ears. After 8 years of rabid rhetoric like 'war of civilizations' and quasi-theological crusades in Bush's 'axis of evil', Obama emphatically announces: we are not -- nor will we ever be -- at war with Islam. To say this in what I consider the most democratic nation in the Middle East -- it listens to its people, who go to the streets whenever necessary -- should go into the history books. -- SantaFeScribe (From Comments in TruthOut) Isn't Islam Like Improved Christianity? The two are certainly similar except with Islam you get a suicide belt, lots of gunfire at your wedding(s), and the promise of 72 virgins or raisins once you martyr yourself. Great deal if you've nothing better to do. --- atmanman (From Comments in The Washington Post) URL of this page: http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1305 -----------------------------
In Turkey, Obama Reaches Out to Muslim World
Barack Obama, making his first visit to a Muslim nation as U.S. president, declared Monday the United States 'is not at war with Islam' and called for a greater partnership with the Islamic world.
By Michael D. Shear and Kevin Sullivan Washington Post Staff Writers Tuesday, April 7, 2009; Page A01
ANKARA, Turkey, April 6 -- President Obama made his most direct outreach to Muslims around the world Monday, telling Turkey's Grand National Assembly that the United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam."
"Our partnership with the Muslim world is critical in rolling back a violent ideology that people of all faiths reject," Obama told the assembly. "The future must belong to those who create, not those who destroy. That is the future we must work for, and we must work for it together."
Obama's speech focused primarily on the U.S. relationship with Turkey. But he also used it as a chance to continue his outreach to Muslims and to signal an approach to the region based more on pragmatism than ideology. He sidestepped a campaign pledge to label as genocide the 1915 mass killing of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire and promised the Turks a broader relationship than one focused solely on combating terrorism.
During his campaign, Obama consistently played down connections to Islam, rarely mentioning his middle name, Hussein, or his childhood years in an Indonesian state school. The tactic helped fuel false Internet-driven rumors that Obama, a Christian, had once been Muslim. But in his appearance Monday, the president noted the contributions that Muslim Americans have made to the United States, saying that many Americans "have Muslims in their family, or have lived in a Muslim-majority country."
"I know," Obama said, drawing applause from the lawmakers, "because I am one of them."
Obama's message to Muslims echoed President George W. Bush, who frequently praised Islam as a religion of peace and humanitarian values that had been distorted by extremists who killed in its name. But Bush's invasion of Iraq, imprisonment of Muslims at Guantanamo Bay, isolation of Iran, and support for Israel in its relations with the Palestinians and in the war with Hezbollah made many in Islamic nations believe that his administration was hostile to their religion.
Obama has reached out to Iran, ordered the closing of the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, and taken an early interest in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with the appointment of a Middle East envoy. His aides have outlined a new approach to Muslim countries that would reach beyond confronting terrorism to include a set of mutual interests on trade, education and health care.
Prior to the president's speech Monday, a senior administration official speaking on background said Obama believes the relationship between the United States and Turkey "can be something of a model for America's relationship with the Muslim world." The official said Obama is committed to "rebuilding that relationship based on mutual interests and respect" and "comprehensive engagement with Muslim peoples" grounded in "a deep appreciation for the Islamic faith." Another senior White House official said Obama will continue the outreach in the coming months by traveling to a Muslim country to deliver a speech on Islam.
After several stops in Europe, Obama told lawmakers here that Turkey, governed by a moderate Islamist administration, could serve as a bridge between west and east. He pledged to support Turkey's halting efforts to join the European Union and urged a continuation of new laws that extend democratic protections to all of its people, including ethnic minorities. In Istanbul on Tuesday, he plans to visit the Blue Mosque and Hagia Sophia, a Byzantine basilica converted into a mosque 650 years ago. Today it is a museum.
"I know there have been difficulties these last few years. I know that the trust that binds us has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced," Obama told the lawmakers.
"We will listen carefully, bridge misunderstanding, and seek common ground," he added. "We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. And we will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better -- including my own country."
Boulevards here were lined with Turkish and American flags, and security was tight for Obama's visit. Several hundred police officers in riot gear contained protesters, while police water-cannon trucks stood ready. Hundreds more police ringed the parliament building. Helicopters flew overhead and snipers manned rooftops as Obama's motorcade entered the sprawling grounds.
There were relatively small protests on the streets of the Turkish capital, with one group carrying an effigy of Obama, dressed in a blue blazer and khaki pants, then throwing it to the ground and kicking it to pieces.
"Obama wants to use Turkish soldiers in Afghanistan as shields for American soldiers," said Burak Gunes, 21, an international relations student at a local university. "America killed millions of people in Iraq, so the Turkish people do not have any tolerance for the United States of America."
Dogu Ergil, a professor of political science at Ankara University, said the protesters "represent nothing" of mainstream Turkish thinking.
"There are fringe groups everywhere who think America is the devil," he said, noting that a recent opinion poll showed that 52 percent of Turks had a favorable opinion of Obama. "If he wanted to be a candidate, he could be elected and become the next president of Turkey!"
Obama appeared to succeed in avoiding controversy with his hosts on an issue of great sensitivity to Turks. As a presidential candidate, he pledged that, if elected, he would label the mass killing of Armenians by the Ottoman government more than 90 years ago a "genocide." But he declined to do so Monday.
Standing next to President Abdullah Gul here, Obama said, "I have not changed my views" on the issue and added that he supported talks underway between the governments of Turkey and Armenia to establish official diplomatic relations and address historical grievances, including the killing of between 1 million and 1.5 million Armenians by the government of the Ottoman Empire during and just after World War I. The president never said the word "genocide."
"I know there's strong views in this chamber about the terrible events of 1915," Obama said later in his speech before the Turkish parliament. "And while there's been a good deal of commentary about my views, it's really about how the Turkish and Armenian people deal with the past."
As a senator, Obama signed letters to then-President Bush demanding that he recognize "the mass slaughter of Armenians as genocide." Joining him on those letters were Vice President Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, both senators at the time.
Speaking after Obama in their joint news conference, Gul said: "It is not a legal or political issue, it's a historical issue." He said Turkey has suggested that a "joint history commission be established and that we would agree to the results or the conclusions of this commission."
Armenian-Americans reacted cautiously to Obama's comments. "The President's willingness to raise his commitment to recognizing the Armenian Genocide, even indirectly, in his remarks before the Turkish Parliament represents a step in the right direction, but far short of the clear promise he made as a candidate that he would, as President, fully and unequivocally recognize this crime against humanity," Aram Hamparian, executive director of the Armenian National Committee of America, said in a statement. "We expect that the President will, during Genocide Prevention Month this April, stand by his word."
Obama also reiterated U.S. support for the creation of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel, a goal jeopardized by continuing Israeli settlement construction in the occupied territories and deep divisions within the Palestinian national movement.
Obama acknowledged Turkey's helpful role as mediator in Syrian-Israeli peace talks, which have yet to yield results after more than a year. He called on Turkey's leaders, who like many Muslims were angry over the scope of Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip last year, to show the same support for an Israeli-Palestinian peace process that at the moment appears dormant.
"We must extend a hand to those Palestinians who are in need, while helping them strengthen their own institutions," he said. "We must reject the use of terror, and recognize that Israel's security concerns are legitimate."
Obama arrived in Ankara on Sunday night from Prague to begin the final leg of his first overseas trip. Appearing before reporters with Gul, Obama said the two countries are key allies and called Turkey "a true partner" in the fight against al-Qaeda and the broader threat of terrorism.
"The world has come too far to let this region backslide, and to let al-Qaeda terrorists plot further attacks," he said.
Staff writer Scott Wilson in Washington contributed to this report. URL of this page: http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1305 ---
President Obama's Remarks in Turkey Published: April 6, 2009 Following is a transcript of President Obama's remarks to the Turkish Parliament, as provided by the White House.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Mr. Speaker, Madam Deputy Speaker, distinguished members, I am honored to speak in this chamber, and I am committed to renewing the alliance between our nations and the friendship between our people.
This is my first trip overseas as President of the United States. I've been to the G20 summit in London, and the NATO summit in Strasbourg, and the European Union summit in Prague. Some people have asked me if I chose to continue my travels to Ankara and Istanbul to send a message to the world. And my answer is simple: Evet -- yes. (Applause.) Turkey is a critical ally. Turkey is an important part of Europe. And Turkey and the United States must stand together -- and work together -- to overcome the challenges of our time.
This morning I had the great privilege of visiting the tomb of your extraordinary founder of your republic. And I was deeply impressed by this beautiful memorial to a man who did so much to shape the course of history. But it is also clear that the greatest monument to Ataturk's life is not something that can be cast in stone and marble. His greatest legacy is Turkey's strong, vibrant, secular democracy, and that is the work that this assembly carries on today. (Applause.)
This future was not easily assured, it was not guaranteed. At the end of World War I, Turkey could have succumbed to the foreign powers that were trying to claim its territory, or sought to restore an ancient empire. But Turkey chose a different future. You freed yourself from foreign control, and you founded a republic that commands the respect of the United States and the wider world.
And there is a simple truth to this story: Turkey's democracy is your own achievement. It was not forced upon you by any outside power, nor did it come without struggle and sacrifice. Turkey draws strength from both the successes of the past, and from the efforts of each generation of Turks that makes new progress for your people.
Now, my country's democracy has its own story. The general who led America in revolution and governed as our first President was, as many of you know, George Washington. And like you, we built a grand monument to honor our founding father -- a towering obelisk that stands in the heart of the capital city that bears Washington's name. I can see the Washington Monument from the window of the White House every day.
It took decades to build. There were frequent delays. Over time, more and more people contributed to help make this monument the inspiring structure that still stands tall today. Among those who came to our aid were friends from all across the world who offered their own tributes to Washington and the country he helped to found.
And one of those tributes came from Istanbul. Ottoman Sultan Abdulmecid sent a marble plaque that helped to build the Washington Monument. Inscribed in the plaque was a poem that began with a few simple words: "So as to strengthen the friendship between the two countries." Over 150 years have passed since those words were carved into marble. Our nations have changed in many ways. But our friendship is strong, and our alliance endures.
It is a friendship that flourished in the years after World War II, when President Truman committed our nation to the defense of Turkey's freedom and sovereignty, and Turkey committed itself into the NATO Alliance. Turkish troops have served by our side from Korea to Kosovo to Kabul. Together, we withstood the great test of the Cold War. Trade between our nations has steadily advanced. So has cooperation in science and research.
The ties among our people have deepened, as well, and more and more Americans of Turkish origin live and work and succeed within our borders. And as a basketball fan, I've even noticed that Hedo Turkoglu and Mehmet Okur have got some pretty good basketball games. (Applause.)
The United States and Turkey have not always agreed on every issue, and that's to be expected -- no two nations do. But we have stood together through many challenges over the last 60 years. And because of the strength of our alliance and the endurance of our friendship, both America and Turkey are stronger and the world is more secure.
Now, our two democracies are confronted by an unprecedented set of challenges: An economic crisis that recognizes no borders; extremism that leads to the killing of innocent men and women and children; strains on our energy supply and a changing climate; the proliferation of the world's deadliest weapons; and the persistence of tragic conflict.
These are the great tests of our young century. And the choices that we make in the coming years will determine whether the future will be shaped by fear or by freedom; by poverty or by prosperity; by strife or by a just, secure and lasting peace.
This much is certain: No one nation can confront these challenges alone, and all nations have a stake in overcoming them. That is why we must listen to one another, and seek common ground. That is why we must build on our mutual interests, and rise above our differences. We are stronger when we act together. That is the message that I've carried with me throughout this trip to Europe. That is the message that I delivered when I had the privilege of meeting with your President and with your Prime Minister. That will be the approach of the United States of America going forward.
Already, America and Turkey are working with the G20 on an unprecedented response to an unprecedented economic crisis. Now, this past week, we came together to ensure that the world's largest economies take strong and coordinated action to stimulate growth and restore the flow of credit; to reject the pressures of protectionism, and to extend a hand to developing countries and the people hit hardest by this downturn; and to dramatically reform our regulatory system so that the world never faces a crisis like this again.
As we go forward, the United States and Turkey can pursue many opportunities to serve prosperity for our people. The President and I this morning talked about expanding the ties of commerce and trade. There's enormous opportunity when it comes to energy to create jobs. And we can increase new sources to not only free ourselves from dependence of other energies -- other countries' energy sources, but also to combat climate change. We should build on our Clean Technology Fund to leverage efficiency and renewable energy investments in Turkey. And to power markets in Turkey and Europe, the United States will continue to support your central role as an East-West corridor for oil and natural gas.
This economic cooperation only reinforces the common security that Europe and the United States share with Turkey as a NATO ally, and the common values that we share as democracies. So in meeting the challenges of the 21st century, we must seek the strength of a Europe that is truly united, peaceful and free.
So let me be clear: The United States strongly supports Turkey's bid to become a member of the European Union. (Applause.) We speak not as members of the EU, but as close friends of both Turkey and Europe. Turkey has been a resolute ally and a responsible partner in transatlantic and European institutions. Turkey is bound to Europe by more than the bridges over the Bosphorous. Centuries of shared history, culture, and commerce bring you together. Europe gains by the diversity of ethnicity, tradition and faith -- it is not diminished by it. And Turkish membership would broaden and strengthen Europe's foundation once more.
Now, of course, Turkey has its own responsibilities. And you've made important progress towards membership. But I also know that Turkey has pursued difficult political reforms not simply because it's good for EU membership, but because it's right for Turkey.
In the last several years, you've abolished state security courts, you've expanded the right to counsel. You've reformed the penal code and strengthened laws that govern the freedom of the press and assembly. You've lifted bans on teaching and broadcasting Kurdish, and the world noted with respect the important signal sent through a new state Kurdish television station.
These achievements have created new laws that must be implemented, and a momentum that should be sustained. For democracies cannot be static -- they must move forward. Freedom of religion and expression lead to a strong and vibrant civil society that only strengthens the state, which is why steps like reopening Halki Seminary will send such an important signal inside Turkey and beyond. An enduring commitment to the rule of law is the only way to achieve the security that comes from justice for all people. Robust minority rights let societies benefit from the full measure of contributions from all citizens.
I say this as the President of a country that not very long ago made it hard for somebody who looks like me to vote, much less be President of the United States. But it is precisely that capacity to change that enriches our countries. Every challenge that we face is more easily met if we tend to our own democratic foundation. This work is never over. That's why, in the United States, we recently ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed. That's why we prohibited -- without exception or equivocation -- the use of torture. All of us have to change. And sometimes change is hard.
Another issue that confronts all democracies as they move to the future is how we deal with the past. The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history. Facing the Washington Monument that I spoke of is a memorial of Abraham Lincoln, the man who freed those who were enslaved even after Washington led our Revolution. Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation, the past treatment of Native Americans.
Human endeavor is by its nature imperfect. History is often tragic, but unresolved, it can be a heavy weight. Each country must work through its past. And reckoning with the past can help us seize a better future. I know there's strong views in this chamber about the terrible events of 1915. And while there's been a good deal of commentary about my views, it's really about how the Turkish and Armenian people deal with the past. And the best way forward for the Turkish and Armenian people is a process that works through the past in a way that is honest, open and constructive.
We've already seen historic and courageous steps taken by Turkish and Armenian leaders. These contacts hold out the promise of a new day. An open border would return the Turkish and Armenian people to a peaceful and prosperous coexistence that would serve both of your nations. So I want you to know that the United States strongly supports the full normalization of relations between Turkey and Armenia. It is a cause worth working towards.
It speaks to Turkey's leadership that you are poised to be the only country in the region to have normal and peaceful relations with all the South Caucasus nations. And to advance that peace, you can play a constructive role in helping to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, which has continued for far too long.
Advancing peace also includes the disputes that persist in the Eastern Mediterranean. And here there's a cause for hope. The two Cypriot leaders have an opportunity through their commitment to negotiations under the United Nations Good Offices Mission. The United States is willing to offer all the help sought by the parties as they work towards a just and lasting settlement that reunifies Cyprus into a bizonal and bicommunal federation.
These efforts speak to one part of the critical region that surrounds Turkey. And when we consider the challenges before us, on issue after issue, we share common goals.
In the Middle East, we share the goal of a lasting peace between Israel and its neighbors. Let me be clear: The United States strongly supports the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security. That is a goal shared by Palestinians, Israelis, and people of goodwill around the world. That is a goal that the parties agreed to in the road map and at Annapolis. That is a goal that I will actively pursue as President of the United States.
We know the road ahead will be difficult. Both Israelis and Palestinians must take steps that are necessary to build confidence and trust. Both Israelis and Palestinians, both must live up to the commitments they have made. Both must overcome longstanding passions and the politics of the moment to make progress towards a secure and lasting peace.
The United States and Turkey can help the Palestinians and Israelis make this journey. Like the United States, Turkey has been a friend and partner in Israel's quest for security. And like the United States, you seek a future of opportunity and statehood for the Palestinians. So now, working together, we must not give into pessimism and mistrust. We must pursue every opportunity for progress, as you've done by supporting negotiations between Syria and Israel. We must extend a hand to those Palestinians who are in need, while helping them strengthen their own institutions. We must reject the use of terror, and recognize that Israel's security concerns are legitimate.
The peace of the region will also be advanced if Iran forgoes any nuclear weapons ambitions. Now, as I made clear in Prague yesterday, no one is served by the spread of nuclear weapons, least of all Turkey. You live in a difficult region and a nuclear arm race would not serve the security of this nation well. This part of the world has known enough violence. It has known enough hatred. It does not need a race for an ever-more powerful tool of destruction.
Now, I have made it clear to the people and leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran that the United States seeks engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect. We want Iran to play its rightful role in the community of nations. Iran is a great civilization. We want them to engage in the economic and political integration that brings prosperity and security. But Iran's leaders must choose whether they will try to build a weapon or build a better future for their people.
So both Turkey and the United States support a secure and united Iraq that does not serve as a safe haven for terrorists. I know there were differences about whether to go to war. There were differences within my own country, as well. But now we must come together as we end this war responsibly, because the future of Iraq is inseparable from the future of the broader region. As I've already announced, and many of you are aware, the United States will remove our combat brigades by the end of next August, while working with the Iraqi government as they take responsibility for security. And we will work with Iraq, Turkey, and all Iraq's neighbors, to forge a new dialogue that reconciles differences and advances our common security.
Make no mistake, though: Iraq, Turkey, and the United States face a common threat from terrorism. That includes the al Qaeda terrorists who have sought to drive Iraqis apart and destroy their country. That includes the PKK. There is no excuse for terror against any nation. (Applause.) As President, and as a NATO ally, I pledge that you will have our support against the terrorist activities of the PKK or anyone else. These efforts will be strengthened by the continued work to build ties of cooperation between Turkey, the Iraqi government, and Iraq's Kurdish leaders, and by your continued efforts to promote education and opportunity and democracy for the Kurdish population here inside Turkey.
Finally, we share the common goal of denying al Qaeda a safe haven in Pakistan or Afghanistan. The world has come too far to let this region backslide, and to let al Qaeda terrorists plot further attacks. That's why we are committed to a more focused effort to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda. That is why we are increasing our efforts to train Afghans to sustain their own security, and to reconcile former adversaries. That's why we are increasing our support for the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan, so that we stand on the side not only of security, but also of opportunity and the promise of a better life.
Turkey has been a true partner. Your troops were among the first in the International Security Assistance Force. You have sacrificed much in this endeavor. Now we must achieve our goals together. I appreciate that you've offered to help us train and support Afghan security forces, and expand opportunity across the region. Together, we can rise to meet this challenge like we have so many before.
I know there have been difficulties these last few years. I know that the trust that binds the United States and Turkey has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. So let me say this as clearly as I can: The United States is not, and will never be, at war with Islam. (Applause.) In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical not just in rolling back the violent ideologies that people of all faiths reject, but also to strengthen opportunity for all its people.
I also want to be clear that America's relationship with the Muslim community, the Muslim world, cannot, and will not, just be based upon opposition to terrorism. We seek broader engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstandings, and we will seek common ground. We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world -- including in my own country. The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country -- I know, because I am one of them. (Applause.)
Above all, above all we will demonstrate through actions our commitment to a better future. I want to help more children get the education that they need to succeed. We want to promote health care in places where people are vulnerable. We want to expand the trade and investment that can bring prosperity for all people. In the months ahead, I will present specific programs to advance these goals. Our focus will be on what we can do, in partnership with people across the Muslim world, to advance our common hopes and our common dreams. And when people look back on this time, let it be said of America that we extended the hand of friendship to all people.
There's an old Turkish proverb: "You cannot put out fire with flames." America knows this. Turkey knows this. There's some who must be met by force, they will not compromise. But force alone cannot solve our problems, and it is no alternative to extremism. The future must belong to those who create, not those who destroy. That is the future we must work for, and we must work for it together.
I know there are those who like to debate Turkey's future. They see your country at the crossroads of continents, and touched by the currents of history. They know that this has been a place where civilizations meet, and different peoples come together. They wonder whether you will be pulled in one direction or another.
But I believe here is what they don't understand: Turkey's greatness lies in your ability to be at the center of things. This is not where East and West divide -- this is where they come together. (Applause.) In the beauty of your culture. In the richness of your history. In the strength of your democracy. In your hopes for tomorrow.
I am honored to stand here with you -- to look forward to the future that we must reach for together -- and to reaffirm America's commitment to our strong and enduring friendship. Thank you very much. (Applause.) Thank you. Thank you.
END 3:55 P.M. (Local) COMMENTS on Truthout: Tue, 04/07/2009 - 02:32 — Fr Tothus (not verified) When will Americans understand that they are not welcome everywhere? "We don't want Yankees in our country" is not an uncommon sentiment between the many who see "no significant difference between Obama and his predecessor, George W. Bush" or any US president, for that matter. One could say, as Obama has, that the US is not at war with (a) religion. The Islamic people, however, have certainly been a subset of "people the US is at war with" for quite a long time, members of a category rather larger, for other reasons. The best summation was perhaps given by Ahmet Kayali: "Obama represents America, which is responsible for all the war and misery and repression of nations in the world" and while this is perhaps a bit exaggerated, it is not by much, truth be told. "The United States supports right-wing dictatorships in Latin America, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East ... because these are the rulers who have tied their personal political destiny to the fortunes of the American corporations in their countries... Revolutionary or nationalist leaders have radically different political constituencies and interests. For them creating "a good investment climate" for the United States and developing their own country are fundamentally conflicting goals. Therefore, the United States has a strong economic interest in keeping such men from coming to power or arranging for their removal if they do." (Richard Barnet, Intervention and Revolution) This is music to my ears. Tue, 04/07/2009 - 02:11 — SantaFeScribe (not verified) This is music to my ears. After 8 years of rabid rhetoric like 'war of civilizations' and quasi-theological crusades in Bush's 'axis of evil', Obama emphatically announces: we are not -- nor will we ever be -- at war with Islam. To say this in what I consider the most democratic nation in the Middle East -- it listens to its people, who go to the streets whenever necessary -- should go into the history books. --- Comments in Washington Post:
BrownShoeAirForcePilot wrote: Obama has demonstrated he is not beyond sucking up and kissing rear ends. I don't believe that's going to make a big, positive impression on folks like Iran, North Korea, Russia, Israel and the like. It surely didn't do any good during WWI or WWII, and I guarantee it won't during WWIII. You can take that to the bank, if there will be one left after the socialist mafia is through. 4/7/2009 12:27:11 AM SharonKay2009 wrote: Hey Neville Chamberlin Barack Hussein Obama,Like Hell WE Are Not At War With The Muslims,You Fool! The Easter Bunny Did Not Attack The WTC On 9-11 You CrackHead!... As,one that lost three friends there on 9-11 as far as I'm concerned, and I am not alone on this, WE DAMN SURE ARE AT WAR WITH YOUR MUSLIM PALS LIKE OSAMA BIN LADEN AND AL_QUEADA, YOU FOOL OBAMA!...So I do not give a damn if your Teleprompter Of The US told you Obama that the Easter Bunny did it, or if all your pathetic kool aid drinker Obamabot cult worshippers and all the damn liberal appeaser peaceniks think you told them the truth when you claim "WE (The US) Is Not At War With Islam" as we, who lost friends and loved ones on 9-11 damn sure see it differently you cowardly Appeasement Loser! Impeach Obama! Get Osama bin Laden even if we have to go into Pakistan or into Hell to do it! 4/7/2009 12:25:48 AM CharlesGriffith1 wrote: This is flat out nonsense on the part of our "charismatic" new president, and is classic foot in mouth B.S. Pragmatism it's not. This simpering "outreach" to our Islamic terrorist enemy will be received by Muslims/Islamists as a sure sign of weakness on America's part. A blundering appeasement! 4/7/2009 12:21:51 AM Tupac_Goldstein wrote: Actually, no one believes Obama will stand by his word. Indeed, he has shown over and over that his word cannot ever be trusted. Obama tells more lies than child murderer Casey Anthony. CashNDC wrote: Folks really think Obama is going to stand by his word, well watching today should show you it's not going to happen. The Armenian people should just accept and move on! Where in history have you heard a Government own up to terrible past mistakes, not even in America have you seen a White President acknowledge wrong doings to Native Americans and Blacks for everything which was done wrong to them! So, what gives the Armenian conflict many years ago? What I do admit, Turkey has played major roles in assisting America in their quest! If not for them we probably would have had higher numbers in deaths in Iraq. So before all Americans start bashing Turkey what you need to do is find a Military Soldier from the past 25 years and truly ask them about Turkey. Not known to most Americans Turkey has been a active Military Liberty (Rest and Relaxation) Port for US Soldiers in the Middle East. Make sure you truly understand the History of US-Turkey before throwing around negative comments. Also, let the 1 to 1.5 million people killed the peace instead of drawing a conflict out of something that happened years ago. Listen it was only Campaign Hype Obama used to gain your votes, get over it because S.... Happens! 4/7/2009 12:18:32 AM Citi_Street wrote: Way to go President Obama! Wage Peace not War! That's smart diplomacy not some Bush & Cheney friggin mindless escapades with the latest revelation that Cheney controlled his own hit squad of assassins. Sound like something out of roaring 30's with Al_Capone Cheney whacking out his rival thugs. We cannot afford another war since we are broke fighting two wars and China certainly isn't going to lend us another trillion since we can't afford to pay back the first trillion we borrowed from them. 4/7/2009 12:16:38 AM fenoy wrote: OBAMA SAYS he doesn't speak Austrian. It's unknown if he can speak Argentinian or Brazilian but, to his credit, his American is way better than his English. 4/7/2009 12:16:03 AM robertjames1 wrote: Obama forgot that George Bush started a war against Muslims and did everything possible to get many Americans to hate them. Then again Americans are good at rewriting history. This is one thing they do so very well. In fact, I like fiction. There is nothing like a good fairy tale before going to bed at night. After causing so much pain for ordinary Muslims in the US and the Middle East America now has the temerity to pretend that its behaviour was friendly. Just remember that: 'The truth will set you free'. I think it is time that America acknowledged the truth and then apologised for what horrible things it has done since it invaded Iraq. 4/6/2009 11:56:02 PM Straightline wrote: GBush08 wrote: It is so refreshing to have a president who fills me with pride! Obama may not be perfect but he is as good as it gets and he is just getting started! And then this one time...at band camp...we were all doing magic mushrooms...and we saw Obama in a vision. And now we just love him so much... cause he is just the best in the whole wide world! 4/6/2009 11:54:01 PM divine0001 wrote: My previous comment is addressed to President Obama. It should have started "My Dear President Obama/". 4/6/2009 11:33:43 PM divine0001 wrote: You have divided this world into two: One is the Islamic world, the other is the rest. I voted for you hoping you would unite the world, not divide. Islamic world has religious sanction to disrespect, discriminate, destroy and demolish anything not Muslim. When we attack the terrorists, Muslims will always conclude we attacked Islam. When we stand up for rights to believe in anything other than Islam, Muslims conclude we are against the teaching of Islam because our stand is against what koran preaches. I know you have Muslims in your family. So do I. I know you grew up with Muslims as a child in Asia. So did I. You have childhood and college friends who are Muslims, so do I. But I know history. I have engaged in debates with scholars and pundits. I have witnessed history of Islam. Take a cue from Swat Valley of Pakistan. You know what is coming. Revolt in Islam must begin with support of women to rebel, convert, and abandon Islam. Let us help create an army of women who will protect their sisters in distress in the Swats of the world. But do not condone nor fall in love with Islam. And for heaven's sake, do not promote the concept of Islamic world. Or, there will be two worlds. And you may not be able to lead either. Remember Zia, the fanatic religious president of Pakistan, once said that it is perfectly all right to lie for Islam. That is his religious teaching. So, stop judging Islam based on your family members. Mohammad ordered his followers to never cease to convert by any means until the world was all Islamic. Read History of India, and how so many people so far away from Saudi in Bangladesh became Muslims. You will be shocked. 4/6/2009 11:30:39 PM MorganaLeFay wrote: I think right wing terrorists now pose more of a danger than the Muslim terrorists. One killed three cops the day before yesterday. Jim David Adkisson shot up a Unity Church in Tennessee last year and Tim McVeigh did a real number in Oklahoma City. And now Beck and the Republican web sites are pumping up these kooks for the violent overthrow of the American Republic. They of course can't overthrow the Republic, but they can boil out of a trailer park somewhere and kill a lot of innocent people. Shoot up another church for example. For domestic security, I think it might be best to focus on the Tea Party kooks. And remember, Bush himself said the Islam was a religion of peace. And what self respecting Republican would contradict the Sainted George W. Bush? 4/6/2009 11:26:58 PM CashNDC wrote: Folks really think Obama is going to stand by his word, well watching today should show you it's not going to happen. The Armenian people should just accept and move on! Where in history have you heard a Government own up to terrible past mistakes, not even in America have you seen a White President acknowledge wrong doings to Native Americans and Blacks for everything which was done wrong to them! So, what gives the Armenian conflict many years ago. What I do admit, Turkey has played major roles in assisting America in their quest! If not for them we probably would have had higher numbers in deaths in Iraq. So before all Americans start bashing Turkey what you need to do is find a Military Soldier from the past 25 years and truly ask them about Turkey. Not know to most Americans Turkey has been a active Military Liberty (Rest and Relaxation) Port for US Soldiers in the Middle East. Make sure you truly understand the History of US-Turkey before throwing around negative comments. Also, let the 1 to 1,5 million people killed the peace instead of drawing a conflict out of something that happen years ago. Listen it was only Campaign Hype Obama used to gain your votes, get over it because S.... Happens! 4/6/2009 11:17:27 PM mharwick wrote: History may be repeating itself. Neville Chamberlain may now be reincarnated in Barak Obama. "We all know at least a little bit about Nevile Chamberlain. He is the one who secured peace with Nazi Germany by coming to an agreement with Adolf Hitler and upon his return to the UK, declaring that the agreement he reached would result in 'Peace in our time'. Well we all know how wrong this guy was with his agreement helping to pave the way to WWII. Here is a little more about Mr. Chamberlain's thought process in all of this: William Strang, who was to play an important role in Allied negotiations with Moscow in 1939 and who eventually became Permanent Under-Secretary at the Foreign Office, later wrote: 'It can fairly be said of Neville Chamberlain that he was not well versed in foreign affairs, that he had no touch for a diplomatic situation, that he did not fully realise what it was he was doing, and that his naive confidence in his own judgement and power of persuasion and achievement was misplaced.' Strang summed up Chamberlain's approach to the subject coolly and without rancour, despite the frustration, and even desperation, which he must have felt at the time, but which he concealed like the dedicated civil servant he was. 'His mind was dominated,' Strang said, 'by two thoughts. The first was hatred of war so deep that he would think that heavy sacrifices would be justified in order to avoid it. The second was the belief that the German and Italian dictators were men whose word could be relied on; that it was possible to come to agreements with them which could transform the international situation for the better and give peace in Europe; and by that by his personal influence with them he could hope to bring such agreements about.' - The Deadly Embrace: Hitler, Stalin, and the Nazi-Soviet Pact 1939-1941, By Anthony Read, David Fisher, Pages 24-25 In short, this guy ended up being one of Hitler's most 'Useful Idiot's. (Although there were many more who help simply by doing nothing to prevent Hitler's march to war.) Iran, North Korea and those who would destroy us love appeasers. Hitler called Neville Chamberlain a worm. 4/6/2009 11:15:54 PM atmanman wrote: ISN'T ISLAM LIKE IMPROVED CHRISTIANITY? The two are certainly similar except with Islam you get a suicide belt, lots of gunfire at your wedding(s), and the promise of 72 virgins or raisins once you martyr yourself. Great deal if you've nothing better to do. 4/6/2009 11:13:41 PM mharwick wrote: History may be repeating itself. Neville Chamberlain may now be reincarnated in Barak Obama. "We all know at least a little bit about Nevile Chamberlain. He is the one who secured peace with Nazi Germany by coming to an agreement with Adolf Hitler and upon his return to the UK, declaring that the agreement he reached would result in 'Peace in our time'. Well we all know how wrong this guy was with his agreement helping to pave the way to WWII. Here is a little more about Mr. Chamberlain's thought process in all of this: William Strang, who was to play an important role in Allied negotiations with Moskow in 1939 and who eventually became Permanent Under-Secretary at the Foreign Office, later wrote: 'It can fairly be said of Neville Chamberlain that he was not well versed in foreign affairs, that he had no touch for a diplomatic situation, that he did not fully realise what it was he was doing, and that his naive confidence in his own judgement and power of persuasion and achievement was misplaced.' Strang summed up Chamberlain's approach to the subject coolly and without rancour, despite the frustration, and even desperation, which he must have felt at the time, but which he concealed like the dedicated civil servant he was. 'His mind was dominated,' Strang said, 'by two thoughts. The first was hatred of war so deep that he would think that heavy sacrifices would be justified in order to avoid it. The second was the belief that the German and Italian dictators were men whose word could be relied on; that it was possible to come to agreements with them which could transform the international situation for the better and give peace in Europe; and by that by his personal influence with them he could hope to bring such agreements about.' - The Deadly Embrace: Hitler, Stalin, and the Nazi-Soviet Pact 1939-1941, By Anthony Read, David Fisher, Pages 24-25 In short, this guy ended up being one of Hitler's most 'Useful Idiot's. (Although there were many more who help simply by doing nothing to prevent Hitler's march to war.) Iran, North Korea and those who would destroy us love appeasers. Hitler called Neville Chamberlain a worm. 4/6/2009 11:15:54 PM mharwick wrote: Obama's message to Muslims echoed President George W. Bush, who frequently praised Islam as a religion of peace and humanitarian values that had been distorted by extremists who killed in its name. But Bush's invasion of Iraq, imprisonment of Muslims at Guantanamo Bay, isolation of Iran, and support for Israel in its relations with the Palestinians and in the war with Hezbollah made many in Islamic nations believe that his administration was hostile to their religion." And the attacks on the World Trade Center, the USS COLE, Khobar Towers, 9/11 etc. ad nauseum made us believe that their religion was hostile to the United States. The British have more problems with home grown fanatics who use Islam as their excuse than we do. Islam has been "high-jacked" by terrorists as George W. Bush said before a joint session of Congress on 9/20/2001 4/6/2009 11:06:48 PM thelaw1 wrote: ISN'T ISLAM LIKE IMPROVED CHRISTIANITY? Faith is not about fact. One religion is not perfected more than any other. They all have their flaws; they all have their strengths. There is no reason to favour one over another, save for divisive intolerant attitudes. Showing your anti-Christian bias was the message received, not the poop you spewed 4/6/2009 11:00:40 PM cenaprints wrote: President Obama should remember that it is Europe and the Europeans who will decide IF Turkey may enter as a member state of the EU. President Obama must also remember that the EU is about EUROPEAN countries. Turkey is a country in Asia with a Muslim culture and background. As in most European countries with a Christian background the population does NOT want a Muslim rule, which will happen if Turkey becomes a member of the EU. As it is the Muslims in Europe are already creating too many grave problems. When the US president wants to please Turkey, make Turkey the 51rst US state! 4/6/2009 11:00:22 PM atmanman wrote: ISN'T ISLAM LIKE IMPROVED CHRISTIANITY? You get the same stories, but without errors of distortions as it is dictated by God and does not have 20 writers in it with agendas. And the Paraclete who Jesus promised to send, is none other the Muhammad. The reason Muhammad got a following in the first place is that no man could write such beautiful poetry. Islam promises "resurrection of the body" like Christianity. I can see you wanting to hold on to it, but do you get your baby, teen, or adult body or your half decomposed one rising right out of your grave? As a former jhs teacher, I appreciate that you only have to cut off a few hands, and then you don't have to do it anymore. 4/6/2009 10:55:30 PM FraudObama wrote: The very last thing that comes to mind when his mug is seen is Commander and Chief. The very last thing. He is not a leader, not an advocate of America, has a very difficult time promoting the greatness of America. The only thing he should ever be President of is a Liberal Community College with degrees in Street Activism, Agitation, Marxist Economies and Racist Church Management.
4/6/2009 10:53:43 PM williepete1 wrote: 4/6/2009 10:41:06 PM yah, right. you might be able to delude yourself that this mess isn't the fault of the 'gop,' just as you delude yourself that the Bolsheviks are coming, the Bolsheviks are coming and that Obama is a secret Muslim non citizen who is building the secret 24 lane Mexico-Canada super highway and that he will use a secret civilian army to round up all the Christians and republicans and put them in secret fema concentration camps. But, it's only working on about 10-15% of the population at most. Do you ever ask why 85% of the population laughs at your conspiracy theories? Maritzah wrote: To williepete1: No , I'm not talking Bush's revised 'Patriot Act' which incidentally the FBI Director is urging renewal of. I'm talking 5th, 6th & 8th Amendments of the Constitution that was violated numerous times during Bush's watch. Those amendments do not apply to real or perceived enemy combatants. 4/6/2009 10:47:29 PM johno4 wrote: thelaw1 wrote: Only Democrats and terrorists have been saying that the US is at war with Islam. The rest of us normal people have been saying we are at war with Islamic Extremists. Strength through Weakness -- Promised, Delivered 4/6/2009 10:43:12 PM LarryG62 wrote: Pure B.S. islam is not a peaceful religion, and the phony in the White House knows it. This dumba$$ has been trashing our country to suck up to our enemies. Despicable! 4/6/2009 10:40:23 PM angriestdogintheworld wrote: FraudObama wrote: Honest to God, it seems like this arrogant clown has been President for years. He is unlikable, disingenuous, deceitful, disdains America. Gotta switch the channel whenever his fraudulent mug is on the tube. still hurts huh... could be worse, could have McRunt going all maverick and giving them tax breaks. 4/6/2009 10:37:09 PM ziggyzap wrote: I can't believe how blind the people of the West are to the Muslim Menace. what's the worst thing that could happen... exactly, you'd have to wear a burka, not a far cry from the moo moo you now wear. 4/6/2009 10:30:11 PM ziggyzap wrote: I can't believe how blind the people of the West are to the Muslim Menace.
Islam is not a religion as such - it is a political and fiscal system masquerading as a religion. Unlike every other religion, Islam demands complete and utter subservience, does not allow Muslims to leave Islam on pain of death and has the goal of taking over the world - that goal is stated not just in the Koran, but on most Islamic websites.
Islam is the only religion that routinely uses terror and violence to achieve its goals. Muslims infiltrate Western nations and in small numbers, claim to be "peaceful", however as their numbers grow, they exert more political pressure, demand autonomy from the prevailing laws of the land, impose their habits on the majority population, as seen in many "Muslim" areas of Europe and Australia where regular restaurant menus have been subverted to only allow Halal food, and much more. Ask yourself this - why do so many Muslims, who prefer to live under an Islamic system and Sharia law, leave their Islamic paradises and emigrate en-masse to secular Western Judeo-Christian nations? Why would they do that? This is why. Muslims are charged with infiltrating Western societies, using the generous social security provisions of those societies to outbreed the non-Muslim populations and then try and take over those nations. We see this in France, where there is a large Muslim population that demands autonomy in "their" areas, demands that French police do not enter those areas and riot, burn cars and assault and kill people if they don't get their way. The same is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Holland, Italy, Britain and other European nations. Why do Muslims want to live in those secular nations? Well, if you can't work it out for yourself, you are doomed. But what to do about it? Simple. RECOGNISE THAT ISLAM IS A CREEPING CANCER AND EXCISE IT. Islam is not a religion of peace and the headlines scream so every day. Any Western secular nation that wants to avoid being infiltrated by this insidious death cult needs to do something about it. Just as Germany has banned the Nazi Party, the Western world needs to ban Islam on the same basis, that Islam demands the death of Christians and Jews and exhorts its followers to either convert non-believers or kill them. It's there in black and white in that evil document, the Koran. And they say Hitler's Mein Kampf is evil? Sure it is, but the Koran spews the same hatred against other religions. If I had my way, I would raze every mosque to the ground and burn every Koran on the spot as one of the most evil documents every written. If I had my way, I would eradicate the practice of Islam from my country completely on the grounds that Islam is not a religion, it's an evil and insidious death cult. That's my opinion and it's backed up by the past 50 years of reading news articles about the atrocities that Muslims commit in the name of this death cult and the way they are bent on infiltrating Western nations and imposing their Islamic regime onto them. 4/6/2009 10:22:31 PM angriestdogintheworld wrote: longrowtohoe wrote: Will someone tell Monkey ears that Islam is at war with us and that makes us at war with them! now we know what cousin It sounds like with the hair removed from its' mouth. 4/6/2009 10:20:33 PM lcarter0311 wrote: President_OBama
One more thing, I don't know of too many religions that are peace-loving. I mean my goodness; look at some of these so-called peaceful Christians. Look at what is going on over in China with those Tibetan monks.
None of this stuff is new. The only difference is, we are now closer to the world as a whole, and the world to us, because of global communications and global trade. 4/6/2009 10:20:16 PM President_Obama_ wrote: lcarter0311 wrote: President_Obama_ wrote: lcarter0311 wrote: Why are Repugs so ignorant. Islam is a Religion. Just like Christianity is a religion. Islam is practiced by 1-1.3 billion people around the world and Christianity is practiced by some 2 billion people around the world.
With that many peace loving Muslims you'd think they would have been able to control and remove their own terrorists.
I read some of the history, mainly, the parts of how the Prophet Muhammad went on a conquer and kill mission to covert millions of people to Islam. Supposedly, he received a message from one of God's messengers, the Angel Gabriel to perform such a mission.
Good for you, now you're seeing that March started by the good Prophet Mohamed is still alive and killing, having taken a few decades off. It's a cyclical thing with Islam, bite off a chunk take a few decades chewing and assimilating before taking the next bite. 4/6/2009 10:19:40 PM lcarter0311 wrote: labman57 wrote: If all Muslims are inherently evil, then what the hell are we trying to achieve in Iraq? We were trying to get to that Oil. The only problem was, some of those Muslims over there wasn't haven't it. The people of Muslim faith are not as stupid as Bush and Cheney would have some people to believe. At the same time, they figured they could go ahead and knock Saddam Hussein off, while we were supposed to be at war with the terrorists over in Afghanistan.
Bush and Cheney, probably Cheney more so than Bush, did not expect the large numbers of insurgency that took place after knocking off Saddam Hussein. 4/6/2009 10:04:40 PM alfa67 wrote:
The Israeli government and many of its supporters in the US have done everything possible in the last 50 some years to provoke direct confrontation between the US and the Muslim world. Partly because of the ignorance and apathy of the US general public, the lack of integrity and courage on the part of US politicians, the effectiveness of the Israeli lobby in the US (groups such as AIPAC, etc.), and the fact that aggressive and dedicated (to Israel) pro-Israel Jewish Americans hold many, many key positions in government, the media, show business and the finance world, they have to a great extent, been successful. Assisting these people in their efforts have been the Muslims/Arabs themselves who can virtually never agree on anything, have no understanding of public relations and, when they do finally do something, usually screw it up or do the wrong thing, to wit…9/11. But, the fact is, with the exception of the most extreme, racist, genocidal Zionists (and there are plenty of those), it isn't in ANYONE'S best interest for the US and the Muslim world to be in conflict and Obama has taken a much needed and long overdue step towards ending the conflict between these two entities. Bless him. 4/6/2009 10:04:11 PM labman57 wrote: The GOP has nothing substantial to offer the American public regarding economic or foreign policy, so instead they resort to the same juvenile name-calling that failed them during the 2008 election campaign. All they can do is point their finger at Obama, sneer, and smugly proclaim "Don't trust him. He is not one of us. He is un-American. He is a socialist....or a communist.....or a fascist.....or a Muslim...or the son of Satan."
And their right-wing base jumps up and down and gets their blood boiling.
And the other 85% of the American public shake their heads, give a heavy sigh, and go about their business trying to help Obama make the world a healthier, safer, more economically vibrant place to live. 4/6/2009 10:03:17 PM Recommend (4) Report Abuse Discussion Policy longrowtohoe wrote: Will someone tell Monkey ears that Islam is at war with us and that makes us at war with them! 4/6/2009 10:01:50 PM President Obama wrote: lcarter0311 wrote: Why are Repugs so ignorant? Islam is a Religion. Just like Christianity is a religion. Islam is practiced by 1-1.3 billion people around the world and Christianity is practiced by some 2 billion people around the world. --- With that many peace loving Muslims you'd think they would have been able to control and remove their own terrorists. Ever wondered how so many Countries became Muslim? Go read some history, it most certainly wasn't done in a peaceful manner, the march by Islam actually made the Catholic Spanish Inquisition look like a free trip to Disney World and it hasn't changed much. 4/6/2009 10:01:05 PM williepete1 wrote: johno4 wrote: ******************************************* williepete1 wrote: 4/6/2009 9:38:44 PM ******************************************* Stellar political and historical analysis there, williep. Just trenchant as all hell. But, please enlighten me. How exactly does my comment make me "sound like a Bolshevik who around 1908 took the Russian Czar into the street along with his family and slaughtered them"? And also, as I've been astounded all day by this, I just have to ask: do you also believe that Obama is a secret Muslim and that he is not actually a citizen? --- Well, I will coyly have to admit, my favourite epic movie is Doctor Zhivago. I also enjoy Russian history although I am no expert in the subject. Your mantras sound similar to those used by the Bolsheviks i.e., plutocratic, anti middle class, etc that in reality is what the new American left is really all about. Anti-middle class. Take from the rich and give to the less successful who choose not to earn. Is Obama a secret Muslim? I don't know but I suspect there is more behind his motives that the left wants to believe. There's enough evidence in his past to argue either way. A citizen? No, I believe he has cajoled his way through people like David Axelrod and with help from George Soros--$25 bucks at a time in numerous miniscule illegal donations sponsored by ACORN who are now on the hot seat with information the NYT failed to release.
If he is, why doesn't he just prove it once and for all? 4/6/2009 9:58:08 PM johno4 wrote: I'll ask it again: how cans even a semi functioning and semi literate adult actually believe Obama is a secret Muslim and that he is not a citizen?
It's just astounding that the wingnuts not only believe this, but that they're proud of believing it. 4/6/2009 9:57:51 PM vztownes wrote: Obama_Liar_in_Chief wrote:
Barack Obama's Apology Tour... __________________________ Yes, isn't it nice? To have a dignified Commander in Chief make the effort to apologize to the civilized world for the disgraceful imperialistic behaviour, arrogance, and war crimes of his predecessor. Sit tight; this will take several world tours in order to apologize sufficiently for Bush's reign of terror. 4/6/2009 9:54:58 PM lcarter0311 wrote: Why are Repugs so ignorant. Islam is a Religion. Just like Christianity is a religion. Islam is practiced by 1-1.3 billion people around the world and Christianity is praciticed by some 2 billion people around the world.
We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with terrorist organizations that are operating out of certain countries in the Middle East that happens to be populated with millions of people that practice Islam. Believe it or not, there are also people in the Middle East that practice Christianity. These are the main regions in the world that practice Islam. Middle East Northern Africa Central Asia South Asia Western Africa Indian subcontinent Malay Archipelago with large population centres existing in Eastern Africa Balkan Peninsula Russia Europe China
Repugs, you people are going to have to start educating yourselves. This is what happens when you continue to listen to your Republican Leaders, Media Pundits and Commentaries. They want you stay dumb and stupid, because they know that you can be easily manipulated. Especially, if you don't believe in educating yourselves or your children. Or maybe, some of you are not as dumb as you want us to think. 4/6/2009 9:53:27 PM mtavro wrote: IT IS OBVIOUS THAT WHOEVER IS AMERICAN PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN, WHITE or BLACK, FOREIGN POLICY WILL ALWAYS BE THE SAME. HOSTILE TO PEACEFUL COUNTRIES AND FRIENDLY TO BARBARIANS, LIKE TURKEY. AFTER ALL BARBARIANS HAVE A LOT IN COMMON, AS HISTORY PROVED MANY TIMES. OBAMA LIKE THE PREVIOUS JOKER INSTEAD OF PRESSURING EU TO ACCEPT BARBARIAN/TURKEY AS A MEMBER WILL DO A FAVOR TO THE WORLD IF AMERICA ADOPTS TURKEY AS A 52nd STATE. IT IS KNOWN BY NOW THAT TURKEY HAS DONE A LOT OF DIRTY JOBS FOR AMERICA IN THE PAST IN THAT REGION. 4/6/2009 9:52:51 PM labman57 wrote: If all Muslims are inherently evil, then what the hell are we trying to achieve in Iraq? What did Bush hope to solve by removing Saddam from power? Are we supposed to convert every Muslim in that country to Christianity? Or should we just line up every Muslim man, woman, and child and shoot them? Did all of our soldiers die in a vain effort to bring civility to a land that cannot be civilized? Because that is the only logical conclusion one can draw if we assume that anyone who follows the Islamic religion is our enemy and wants to destroy us. 4/6/2009 9:49:24 PM johno4 wrote: --- williepete1 wrote: 4/6/2009 9:38:44 PM ---
Stellar political and historical analysis there, williep. just trenchant as all hell.
But, please enlighten me. How exactly does my comment make me "sound like a Bolshevik who around 1908 took the Russian Czar into the street along with his family and slaughtered them"?
And also, as I've been astounded all day by this, I just have to ask: do you also believe that Obama is a secret Muslim and that he is not actually a citizen? 4/6/2009 9:44:24 PM profmoriarty wrote: This jug-eared fool is going to kill us all. First the apology tour that got us no extra help for Afghanistan from the Europeans, then the "I want to get rid of our nukes" speech and now the "we are not at war with Islam". You idiot Obamabots won't see the folly of this man until some of you are dead because of his foolish policies. I'd bet my mortgage payment that should getting rid of our nukes should ever come to pass, the next message you hear will be the countdown of when the missiles will arrive in the US from Russia or North Korea or Iran or wherever. You will get no sympathy from me for supporting this moron. 4/6/2009 9:29:51 PM williepete1 wrote: johno4 wrote: williepete, What, you're happy with the performance of the 'gop' in the last two elections? i mean, i certainly am happy that Americans rejected the failed, xenophobic, plutocratic, anti middle class 'gop' in the last two elections. But you're okay with it too...??? -- The problems with you lefties are multiple. Some read too much between the lines and others just don't get it, lol. Read the entire preceding sentence and once you've comprehended it, let me know. 4/6/2009 9:27:53 PM lichtme wrote: Only neocons are at war with Islam
4/6/2009 9:26:56 PM johno4 wrote: williepete, What, you're happy with the performance of the 'gop' in the last two elections? I mean, I certainly am happy that Americans rejected the failed, xenophobic, plutocratic, anti middle class 'gop' in the last two elections. But you're okay with it too...??? 4/6/2009 9:23:07 PM williepete1 wrote: Maritzah wrote: To williepete1: Typical nonsensical NOTHING response! Neo-cons derive only from US. They would be certifiable in any other Western Country. Neo-cons have stacked up their grocery stores and gun caches, ammo in their basements...come out of your dungeons Cowards! --- Oh we're out, all ya need to do is try to put us in the euro dungeons you live in and you'll see us all over your yard. Cheese eating surrender monkeys. 4/6/2009 9:19:21 PM Morgana LeFay wrote: Reading this thread, it seems there is no idiotic conspiracy theory that the average Republican will not instantly lap up - and then spew forth with rage and venom. Q: What does an educated, rational, thinking person who has belonged to the Republican Party since the 1960s now call himself? A: An Independent Within ten years all of the rational conservatives in the Republican Party will have joined with the blue dog Democrats. And the Republican Party will become a minor party of seething, rage filled kooks and conspiracy nuts. The people the party now directs it's propaganda to via AM radio and Fox news will have completely taken over. And at this point the party will be about as relevant as the Ku Klux Klan, the Skinhead Party or the American Nazi Party. 4/6/2009 9:15:21 PM Obama_Liar_in_Chief wrote: Barack Obama's Apology Tour... Appeasement on Parade by your friendly neighbourhood Muslim Extremist Collaborator in Chief 4/6/2009 9:15:02 PM Maritzah wrote: To williepete1: Typical nonsensical NOTHING response! Neo-cons derive only from US. They would be certifiable in any other Western Country. Neo-cons have stacked up their grocery stores and gun caches, ammo in their asements...come out of your dungeons Cowards! 4/6/2009 9:13:11 PM rg019571 wrote: Impeach the Kenyan President. 4/6/2009 9:07:40 PM williepete1 wrote: Finally some new music! A new [old] tune recently released by Vladmir Lenin & The Bolshevik's titled:
Americans rejected the failed, xenophobic, plutocratic, anti middle class 'gop' in the last two elections. 4/6/2009 9:05:46 PM EddietheInfidel wrote: "Obama represents America, which is responsible for all the war and misery and repression of nations in the world," said Ahmet Kayali.
Uh-huh.... Just like Saudi Arabia, where women aren't allowed to drive and subjected to abuse by religious "vice" police; Pakistan where girls are publically flogged on the suspicion that they were in the company of an unrelated man; Afghanistan where raping your wife is now legal; Iran where homosexuals and apostates are subject to the death penalty.... I could go on and on... Name any place in the world today where daily violence and repression of rights occurs, and except for a few instances, radical Islamists are involved. Until this track record improves, Muslims will be viewed with some suspicion. For all Obama's praising of secular society in Turkey, the current leadership, with the support of the populace, appears to be doing everything it can to institute an Islamist Sharia legal system. 4/6/2009 9:01:53 PM mathewneville wrote: President_Obama_ wrote:The United States is not at war with Islam. Islam is at war with the United States. That is the difference. The United States was attacked and we are defending ourselves.
Muslims have been ethnically cleansed from Palestine by Israel with full US support for over 60 years.
Lebanon was bombed back 50 years by Israel in 2006 with full American support.
Gaza was bombed back to the Stone Age by Israel in 2009 with full American support.
The USA brought a holocaust to Iraq over 20 years culminating in the invasion and destruction of that beautiful Islamic country.
For years an economic war has been waged by the USA on Iran, Syria ,Gaza etc etc.
All UN resolutions looking for justice in the Middle East have been VETOED by the US.
Most Americans don't know any of this because they are never told by CNN-FOX TV or the American MSM.
The is no patriotism left in the American media!!!!!
- 4/6/2009 8:49:20 PM powerange wrote: I know this is true...johno4 said so...and said very well and with great conviction..good on him/her...thank you...Obama is a secret Muslim gay drug addict socialist communist fascist Kenyan citizen who was created in a secret lab in the USSR and sent to the US via sputnik to pose as a dirty Chicago political machine hack community organizer radical black panther who wants to abort your babies and then make them gay marry goats cloned from the stem cells of good decent American white Christian people so he can destroy America and finally wreck capitalism and replace it with Nazi commie Muslim global currency rule. lol as 2012 evicts him 4/6/2009 8:48:52 PM enaughton27 wrote: MorganaLeFay wrote: --- Yes, it's all a vast, dark and evil conspiracy - beginning with the implantation of the microchip in Obama's head while he was still a child back in Kenya. It has to be. Or the Republican world view collapses. The Republican Party, the paranoid remainents of a once major political party who now functional at the level of ranting hate, transparently silly slogans and goofy conspiracy theories. -- So true, Morgan. On the other hand, you've got this guy: DCSage wrote: The US must come to grips with the 60 years of financial and military support for a Nazi regime that destroyed Lebanese infrastructure and massacred scores of Lebanese civilians in a bungled effort to occupy Lebanon in 2006, after being kicked out by the Lebanese resistance in 2000. US financial support makes the Nazi seige of Gaza possible, with Nazi occupation forces controlling Gaza's borders, Gaza's airspace and Gaza's access to the sea. The US has to deal with its own support of a terrorist army that engages in ethnic cleansing, targeting civilians, attacking UN shelters, bombing universities and machine-gunning civilians who try to flee the Nazi terror. With the addition of the racist Russian Nazi slob, Avigdor Lieberman, to the Nazi mix of apartheid and occupation, the US is supporting the bad guys who can't wash the stench of dead children off their combat fatigues. YOU TELL ME, MORGAN, WHO IS CRAZIER? References to Stalin are more sane or less sane than calling Americans "Nazis"? 4/6/2009 8:48:47 PM enaughton27 wrote: atmanman wrote:
FYI::: />I JUST STUMBLED ON THIS AFTER READING THE POSTINGS HERE;
Atmanman, just so you know ... the nuts at Reformation.org think the Catholic Church invented Islam to beat up on Protestants. Also, they believe JFK was the anti-Christ.
You might want to cite to a more reputable, slightly less insane source next time. 4/6/2009 8:45:37 PM Noahark wrote: Many Jews live peacefully and happily in Iran and refuse immigration to Israel 4/6/2009 8:43:12 PM enaughton27 wrote: googleguy wrote: Islam is not the enemy; Zionism is the enemy. 4/6/2009 8:36:55 PM
Question: How many Muslims live in Israel?
Question: How many Jews live in Saudi Arabia? I rest my case. You have no idea what you're talking about. 4/6/2009 8:40:33 PM johno4 wrote: Obama is a secret Muslim gay drug addict socialist communist fascist Kenyan citizen who was created in a secret lab in the USSR and sent to the US via sputnik to pose as a dirty Chicago political machine hack community organizer radical black panther who wants to abort your babies and then make them gay marry goats cloned from the stem cells of good decent American white Christian people so he can destroy America and finally wreck capitalism and replace it with Nazi commie Muslim global currency rule. i know this is all true because hannity, limbaugh, Cheney, o'reilly, redstate and the real American conservatives posting on this thread told be so. 4/6/2009 8:38:25 PM googleguy wrote: Islam is not the enemy; Zionism is the enemy. 4/6/2009 8:36:55 PM chatard wrote: George W. Bush said eight years ago that the US is not at war with Islam. The Washington Post and the rest of the media for eight years called George Bush an idiot.. Barack Obama just said the US is not at war with Islam............. 4/6/2009 8:36:07 PM URL of this page: http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1305:
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