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| 30 Jul 2008, NewAgeIslam.Com | |
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It's a moment of trial for Muslims, as also for the country as a whole. The letter sent by the so-called Indian Mujahideen, which may well be an arm of the Mafia - some experts suspect D-Gang's involvement - shows the dangers to which our youths are exposed. Completely crazy arguments, written in what scholar C. M. Naim finds seemingly "rational" manner, apparently by educated people, calling for Revenge of Gujarat could lead some of our impressionable youths astray, as it perhaps already has.
The biggest danger in this situation comes, to my mind, from Muslim leaders and leader writers in Urdu newspapers, who are apparently in a state of denial. They are almost unanimously complaining that the media and the police are not prepared to even consider the possibility of Hindu terrorist groups like Bajrang Dal being involved though the modus operandi clearly seems to point to them. But the irony seems to escape them that they are themselves not prepared to even consider that a Muslim group, indigenous or otherwise, supported by Pakistani outfits or otherwise, may be behind these attacks that may very well be what the e-mail purportedly sent by the so-called Indian Mujahideen sent to several media outlets claims: Revenge of Gujarat. This does not augur well for the Muslim community and the country at large.
It is time, as C. M. Naim also points out in his response to the e-mail, the Ulema took a pro-active stand. But in my view, they need to go beyond denunciations of terrorism per se. Everybody knows by now that the Holy Quran is against senseless killings of the kind we see in these terrorist attacks. I would like to refer, if I may, to a rather longish article I had written following Darul uloom Deoband's anti-terrorism convention in Deoband earlier this year, asking them to introspect and debate some necessary questions. http://www.newageislam.com/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=15
Unwarranted Islam supremacism of a large number of Muslims is a big block in our adjustment with any society with a non-Muslim majority. This is unwarranted because even a Muslim of some common sense would recognise the fact that in no way are we Muslims today better human beings than people of other persuasions. We are by no means morally superior and simply have not developed the character that Islam wanted us to inculcate.
So much for Muslims living in non-Muslim majority countries! Those who live in Muslim-majority countries believe in various sorts of sectarian supremacism. This too is equally unwarranted. Muslims belonging to any sect are equally venal or good as the case maybe in comparison with Muslims of other sects. We would be insulting our intelligence if we claim that Wahhabis or Deobandis are better than Barelvis, etc. or vice versa in their moral character or in any other way.
Introspection rather than grievance-mongering is the need of the hour.
We present below an edited version of the e-mail sent b the so-called Indian Mujahiden as published in Outlook newsmagazine and the response of Indian from various parts of the country and the world including Professor C. N. Naim.
Editor, NewAgeIslam.com ******
'The Rise Of Jihad, Revenge Of Gujarat'
The edited text of the impugned email that was sent to various media outlets minutes before the blasts in Ahmedabad by a group that intelligence agencies are calling a front to deflect attention away from ISI and other non-India groups ... Indian Mujahideen
Intelligence sources have claimed that the 408 Detachment of ISI based in Karachi -- which oversees terror operations in Maharashtra, Goa and Gujarat -- is behind the floating of this 'Indian Mujhaideen' -- a deliberate ploy with specific passages to insist that the blasts are the handiwork of Indians and that foreign (read Pakistani or Bangladeshi) groups are not involved. After taking due counsel and thought as to the inflammatory potential and the readers' right to be informed about the contents of this email, we decided to publish the following edited extracts:
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Text of the email: Subject: AWAIT 5 MINUTES FOR THE REVENGE OF GUJARAT
In the Name of Allah The INDIAN MUJAHIDEEN strike again! – Do whatever you can, within 5 minutes from now, feel the terror of Death!
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Edited text of the attachment
Target these evil politicians and leaders of BJP, RSS, VHP and Bajrang Dal, who provoke the masses against you. Target and kill the wicked police force who were watching the "fun" of your bloodshed and who handed you to the rioting sinful culprits. Target their hired informers and spies even if they are the disloyal and betraying munafiqeen (hypocrites) of our Ummah. O Muslims of Gujarat! If a petty population of Rajasthani Gujjars can use force for fulfilling their needs, then are we even more subjugated than these backwards?
With these triumphant attacks, we send our message to all those faithless infidels and their hypocrite allies from amongst the so called Muslims like Arshad Madni & Mehmood Madni who have bartered their faith in return of just one seat in the Parliament and we hereby declare an ultimatum to all the state governments of India, especially to those of Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Maharashtra to stop harassing the Muslims and keep a check on their killing, expulsion, and encounters. We warn you of your foolish plots that you plan against us, thinking that you can curb our missions and foil our targets. Here are our demands that you must fulfil if you hope for your well being.
a) You agitated our sentiments and disturbed us by arresting, imprisoning, and torturing our brothers in the name of SIMI and the other outfits in Indore, Ujjain, Mumbai, and in other cities of Karnataka. We hereby notify you, especially the ATS and the STF and the governments of Madhya Pradesh and Andhra Pradesh, to release them all, lest you become our next targets and victims of our next attack. Don't consider us heedless about the crimes you have committed in recent Indore riots and all this will be, Insha-Allah brought to account very soon.
b) We warn the Andhra Pradesh government, specifically the Hyderabad Police, to release the imprisoned Muslim youth immediately, and to be wise with yourselves. We are watching you, and our ground-work to gun you down has already begun. Insha-Allah, we will be rid of you very soon.
c) To the Maharashtra government and the rascals like Vilasrao Deshmukh and R.R. Patil, we announce the deadline to take heed before it is too late. Don't think we are unaware of the SRPF attacks on our Masjids and our homes, the insult of our Qur'an and your enmity with the Muslims in Digras and the nearby areas in Yavatmal and of the burning alive of three Muslims in Jalna with the backing of police. Yes! It is all being recorded and you will face the ill consequences thereof.
And also the troubles faced by the Madrasa students and Muslim women in Mumbai Western Railways. We wonder at your memory. Have you forgotten the evening of 7/11/2006 so quickly and so easily?
You try to fool us in the name of fast-track courts made for '93 riot cases, through which you wish to free the actual Hindu culprits like Madhukar Sarpotdar who was caught red-handed with illegal firearms while the innocent Muslims arrested in the bomb blast case are being tried in the courts for years and years. Is this the hellish justice you speak of? I urge all the Muslims of Maharashtra to denounce those Muslim MLA's who prove themselves to be the loyal dogs of Congress and NCP. Beware! O you criminals! you are already on our hit-list and our cross-hair now! We also alert Mukesh Ambani to think twice before usurping and building a citadel on a land in Mumbai that belongs to the Waqf Board, lest it turns into horrifying memories for you which you will never ever forget.
d) The news of the lawyers of the Bar Council in UP denying to fight the cases of our Muslim brethren has already reached us. Remember, you are provoking us to repeat the same blasts in civil courts that blew up your bodies into pieces.
e) Lastly, we intimidate and threaten the Media and the News channels, especially the TIMES OF INDIA and the TIMES NOW to be extra cautious in their propaganda war against the Muslims. Your biased and impartial approach to the news and the noise and the politics you make of 'Islamic Terrorism' indicates your hostility, hatred and fear that you grudge against Muslims and your loyal allegiance to the cunning ones who call themselves the "Intelligence Bureau". You become dumb when it comes to the oppression and torture of the Muslims, faced in riots, firing, encounters, police custodies, remand homes and civil courts and your propaganda turns violent to project the 'brutality' of 'Islamic terrorists' and their 'ruthlessness' and their 'merciless mentality' and so on. We warn you to end this hypocrisy or get ready for a bloody slaughter.
The Indian Mujahideen hereby claim the sole responsibility of the Gujarat serial blasts, planned and executed by Indians only and it is our request to Lashkar-e-Toiba and other organizations, for the sake of Allah, not to claim the responsibility for these attacks.
Al Arbi Guru-Al-Hindi
RESPONSE 'Cold-Blooded Murderers' 'I read the email, purportedly from 'Indian Mujahideen', with increasing dread and disgust. Dread for what it can cause, and disgust (and worse) for the minds that created it... ...
C.M. Naim
Outlook editor's note:We shared the email from "Indian Mujahideen", received by some media outlets minutes before the blasts in Ahmedabad on July 26, with Professor Naim and wondered if he might want to comment on it. Given the inflammatory potential, and the readers' right to be informed about the contents of this email, we also solicited his views on whether or not it should be published in full as it clearly seemed to be aimed at stoking communal passions so as to set off a conflagration. This is Professor Naim's response. We hope to share more responses from others in the days to come
I read the e-mail with increasing dread and disgust. Dread for what it can cause, and disgust (and worse) for the minds that created it. It also made me aware, more than ever before, the constraints under which press must work.
It is a carefully prepared document, by someone who is fairly well educated and informed. The English has only a few errors. The arguments are made in a 'rational' manner, showing the 'cause' first and only then the 'effect.' The document is laid out and printed with care and expertise. The two signatories must be quite 'modern.' They may even take pride in being so good at controlling modern (Western) technology.
The writers wish to project a I of calm, deliberate thinking, but they do lose it several times. Their anger and feelings of hatred take over. Of course, they are not themselves victims of the crimes they mention. They are self-appointed revenge-takers, with no thought for what their actions might bring to many more innocent people even on their side of the religious divide, not to mention the innocent non-Muslims whom they intend to make targets of their hatred.
Most of the 'villains' they list by name and charge with specific criminal deeds are indeed villains. But the self-proclaimed 'Mujahids' expose their imbalanced thinking when they generalise and accuse undifferentiated groups. To their own mind, of course, there is no imbalance. For them the entire world is divided into four groups: themselves, the Righteous; their enemies, the Kaffirs; the traitors among their own, the Munafiqs; and the rest of their own who must fit themselves into one of the preceding categories before they could count for anything. Otherwise the latter don't matter to the writers one bit. That's how all fascists think. Come to power, their first targets will be women and children.
How does one respond to what they write? (this is in response largely to the portions that we have excised, at least for now, from the 'Indian Mujahideen' email which appears as a link at the bottom of this page)
On 'facts' they are not wrong. The verses they quote are in the Qur'an, and the translations are well accepted. The liberals introduce History when they interpret, placing every verse in some 'historical' context; the fundamentalists take the verses literally and as universally applicable. For them Qur'an is above history. Their translations or interpretations also do not employ such expressions as 'metaphorically speaking,' 'symbolically speaking,' and 'psychological truth.' Anyone who charges them of putting 'God's Truth' into a context not intended at the time of its revelation is wasting his breath. But that's what Asghar Ali Engineer and C M Naim will do in a knee-jerk fashion. Beyond that, we may only hope that by doing so we succeed in convincing at least a few among the Mujahids' intended Muslim audience to think in terms of their own lived and felt religion, i.e. the Islam of their mothers and grandmothers along side the Islam of their fathers and grandfathers, the Islam of the indigent and weak, the Islam of the adra, the Islam that puts faith in a God who is foremost 'Most Gracious, Most Merciful.'
One cannot hope to convince the writers of the pamphlet of anything.
One can only hope to limit their influence. That's where Asghar Ali Engineer and C M Naim serve no purpose. The burden lies entirely on the Ulama of Deoband and Nadwa, and on the qazis and muftis in large and small towns. I deliberately leave out people like the Madani brothers and the heirs of Banatwala and Uwaisi–they are unscrupulous political beasts, as much interested in power as the writers of the pamphlet, though in different ways. Asking them to do something would only give them undue public attention. Common Muslim is to be protected from them as much as from the Mujahids. But the former should be asked to stand up and be counted. And they should also be asked to restrain themselves within secular laws when they start declaring Ahmadis and Taslima Nasreen and Salman Rushdie infidels and heretics and therefore to be hurt and harassed.
Remember in Pakistan the downward slide in its polity began when the 'socialist' Z A Bhutto converted the Pakistani parliament into an inquisition and had Ahmadi Muslims declared non-Muslim–just to save his own hold on the state. It is a slippery slope to perdition, this business of mixing religion and politics.
Should you publish it?
Do you always publish everything that comes to you for publication? What would I do if I were in your position? At this moment I would not put the pamphlet on the web, though I'm sure a Google search tomorrow or day after would show that it is being read in abundance. I would send it to the Mufti of Deoband, with a formal request for a fatwa. 'The people who make these claims in the name of Allah and His Prophet and cause bloodshed and disharmony between people in the land where they live, are these people righteous Muslims?'
To my mind, they are cold-blooded murderers. They are also pathetic in their anxiety to be seen as the sole perpetrators of these crimes. If they were any different, they would come forward and take the 'credit' and its consequences publicly, thus saving innocent people from being killed in a spiral of vengeful killings. They are both cowards and criminals.
My asking for a fatwa against them is not a political act; it's an appeal to the Ulama to take some bold and sustained steps against the menace that will eventually destroy them too. They have access to mosques, pulpits and adrasas; only they can make them secure. Their fatwa will not make any difference to these 'modern' Mujahids, but it may give some comfort to the victims and will strengthen those among the pious who wish to condemn and oppose this monstrous subversion of their religion.
C.M. Naim is Professor Emeritus, University of Chicago Source: http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20080729&fname=email&sid=1
Cold-Blooded Murderers' YOUR TAKE? Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 07:51:57PM (IST)
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/30ahd7.htm
'IB identifies Pak-based masterminds
Vicky Nanjappa in Bengaluru '
A K GHAI MUMBAI INDIA Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 07:49:59PM (IST) 'Who carried out the blasts at Ahmedabad and Bengaluru? Investigating agencies say they were masterminded by two Karachi-based men -- Rasool Khan Parti and Mohammad Sufiya Ahmed Patangiya. The duo, who currently reside at Farahan Arcade Gulistan in Karachi, are originally residents of Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh. Prior to fleeing to Karachi, the duo were involved in recruitment of youth for jihadi activities in Hyderabad and other parts of the country. They were both allegedly members of the Harkat-ul-Jihad-al Islami, but recruited youth mainly from the Students Islamic Movement of India.'
THE FACT STILL REMAINS THAT THESE TERROR TEAMS WERE SHELTERED IN INDIA, PROVIDED LOCALLY LOGISTICS AND TRANSPORTED BACK SAFELY TO PAK.
WHO SHELTERED THE KILLERS?? TILL THE HARBOURERS ARE EXPOSED POOR INDIAN MUSLIMS WILL BE UNDER SUSPICION RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY.
The theories that 'prove first involvement of Muslims and then accuse' etc none bothers. Even Muslims know and admit that they have been pushed into corner by their leaders,their inteligensia,by clergy who went on exploiting mindlessly Babri,Gujrat Riots,Banerjee Report etc for their personal gains. THIS DID NOT ALLOW THE WOUNDS TO HEAL & INCREASED THE SUSPICION MOREE MORE AND MORE BETWEEN HINDUS AND MUSLIMS.TIME AND AGAIN BLAMING BJP ,HINDUS FOR ALL THE HURLDLES FACED BY MUSLIMS RESULTED IN TWO THINGS :ONE HINDUS AND MUSLIMS WERE NOT ABLE TO INTERACT SOCIALLY DUE TO PERPETUAL DIVIDE AGENDA SPREAD BY MUSLIM LEADERS. Secondly the mutual trust completely destroyed.
WE CAN SEE EDUCATED POSTERS DAY IN out CURSING BJP. Hindus consider this veiled attacks on them.
NOW TELL ME SIR WHAT NEXT?? BOTH THE COMMUNITIES ARE IN OPPOSITE SEGMENTS AND NO WAY THEY WILL COME NEAR.ON THE OTHER HAND BLASTS AND ISLAMIC JEHAD HA SCOMPELETLY HARDNED THE ATTITUDE OF HINDUS.
Does the REHNUMAS OF MUSLIMS can now guide us how to remove the DARK shadows of GADDARS looming upon MUSLIMS' HEADS??
THE BLASTS HAVE HAPPENED IN GUJRAT WHERE THE RELIGEOUS DIVIDE WAS never ALLOWED TO BE NARROWED BY YOU. Yesterday SURAT WAS ON THE VERGE OF TOTAL DESTRUCTION. HAD THE BOMBS EXPLODED WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED?
And we have criminal minded posters here saying that not the Terrorists but BJP itself did this heinous crime .If these are the friends of Muslims then ALLAH MALIK hein !!
'Jis Karvan ka Rehbar Rasta bhula ho ,
Khuda hi oos Karvan ka Hafiz ho '
(Only GOD can save the Races whose Guides /Leaders have lost their sense of Direction)
NARAYAN ZURICH SWITZERLAND Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 07:43:44PM (IST)
Yakoob/Parbat/Ramdas/Abdullah/Thomas,
Nobod y has been as bitter a hate merchant as yourself in this forum, especially in your Thomas and Abdullah avatars. Your cynicism in trying to have fun at the expense of those who post in this forum is deplorable.
ASHOK BANGALORE INDIA Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 07:34:41PM (IST) Ravi/Thiagan/Estee,
>> The problem in the case of Muslims is Godhraas are happening too often.
So you are back with a new ID with your sermons of hate! The cause of Godhra train fire is still a matter of debate, but here you are pronouncing that Godhras happen too often!!! All you have shown before in this forum is your capacity to lie and your single-minded hatemongering.
ANWAR PATEL DALLAS TX UNITED STATES Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 06:39:56PM (IST) >> The arguments are made in a 'rational' manner, showing the 'cause' first and only then the 'effect.'
I sincerely hope that the professor put the words rational, cause and effect in quotes because he does not see them as such.
Correlation does not mean causation and even if one could establish a causal relationship, the direction of causality could very well be the reverse.
SRIRAM CHENNAI INDIA Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 05:38:00PM (IST) kumar >>> History will not judge a person on the basis of one lone statement a person utters. What is the overall ideology, drive, vision, mission, rhetoric, work, contribution etc of the person?
Then why don't you and your ilk take it easy and let history judge modi ?
BHUSHAN RICHMOND UNITED STATES Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 05:14:04PM (IST) kumar,
This is how congress treat Muslims & Hindus differently. first they deny a small piece of land to Hindus and now they want to increase the Haj quota for the Muslims in Kashmir!!. this is how the Muslims get rewarded for starting violence, with haj quota. Hindu get bullets in their heads for reacting.
http://timesofindia.ind...articleshow/3305464.cms
NAMO2 LONDON UNITED KINGDOM
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Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 04:45:46PM (IST) ANWAR PATEL:
People like you, spending a lifetime telling simple Muslims and Muslim kids that Muslims have horrible grievances to avenge in blood, and that Dark Ages Afghan killers who blind women and mutilate their unfortunate opponents are "freedom fighters", and sneer at guys like me who say Muslims must behave humanely as women in bangles....guys like you do a hell of a lot of harm.
You sometimes coo "moderately", but your real activity like that of your hate groups like CAIR is to spread vicious Islamist propaganda which leads to terrorism.
YAKOOB MUSA CHENNAI INDIA Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 04:06:14PM (IST) 30/07/08
Atul Says: "He said that an illegal act (as the one by those who burnt the Karsevaks bogies) should have been taken up by authorities as a criminal act and speedily settled."
The problem in the case of Muslims is Godhraas are happening too often; it is Surat today. That is when the others are getting disgusted and riots break out. The same situation is there in France and other small EU countries and in Australia, where Muslim minorities have become unmanageable. Riots are waiting to happen in those places.
In Australia both Christian and Muslim immigrants from Lebanon have come and settled. The Lebanese Christians have integrated well, have themselves educated and two of them Governors of Provinces. The Lebanese Muslims, even third generation, have not learnt English and remain a source of illegal activities, besides gang raping the western girls. One Bilal Skaf has become the brand ambassador for gang raping and an influential Imam made the remark that western girls who are not in burkhaa are immodestly dressed and invite rape. He said they are like uncovered meat and only cats will come and eat. Followers of Islam are a problem world over.
RAVI LOS ANGELES UNITED STATES Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 03:38:54PM (IST) "The party has never been anti-sikh"
Another blatant lie. after 1984 riots the congies were busy distributing anti Sikh posters throughout Delhi. Some of the posters were shown a Sikh taxi driver with a caption "do you trust this man??"
"The chances of Congress committing an anti-Sikh atrocity again or indulging in anti-Sikh communal rhetoric (or 'anti' any religion/tradition for that matter) is about zero"
So is BJP. Why there were no riots after akshardham massacre, attack on the parliament and the hijacking of IC184??. Similarly there were no riots against the Tamils when LTTE blew Rajeev Gandhi. Fact is in both 1984 & 2002 the govt machinery failed. but it is utterly irresponsible to say that 1984 & 2002 were planned by either the congies or BJP.
There are more chances of another Hindu genocide in Kashmir and congress doing nothing, as in 1989 to 1998 to protect their Muslim vote bank. There are more chances of another Shahbano happening under the congies to protect their vote bank. the Hindus will react through BJP no doubt about that. congress only looks after the interests of Muslims as "Muslims". but when the interests of Hindus are concerned all the efforts are made to convince them that their beliefs are wrong as in the case of ramsetu or amarnath.
NAMO2 LONDON UNITED KINGDOM Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 03:02:43PM (IST) Ashok, What is wrong with Kureishy's statement?
He said that an illegal act (as the one by those who burnt the Karsevaks bogies) should have been taken up by authorities as a criminal act and speedily settled. The revenge in Godhra was not the answer. Similarly no other retaliatory strike serves any purpose-ultimately.
Law and it's enforcement -strict and speedy is the only right answer. The other answer is mutual annihilation till both lose all energy.
ATUL CHANDRA MUMBAI INDIA Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 02:46:17PM (IST) 30/07/08
"On 'facts' they are not wrong. The verses they quote are in the Qur'an, and the translations are well accepted. The liberals introduce History when they interpret, placing every verse in some 'historical' context;"
The problem in this interpretation is:
> Muslims will have to accept that some of the verses (around four hundred of them) are event related and do not have universal application. They will never do that. > Ahemediaas propagate this interpretation and both Sunnis and Shiaas call them apostates and are persecuting them world over. > Such a meaning has never been preached in the mosques and madrasas and is unlikely to be done in future. > The aim of Islam is world domination and universal imposition of Sharia and the above interpretation will not factor into that scheme.
Islam is a religion, a political movement, contains a set legal code called Sharia, has a scheme of finance and a social structure in which other religionists has no space. First the religion comes like the camel's head into the tent and the others will slowly move in and the original inhabitant will be out.
RAVI LOS ANGELES UNITED STATES Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 02:30:46PM (IST) 30/07/08
Kumar says "The chances of Congress committing an anti-Sikh atrocity again or indulging in anti-Sikh communal rhetoric (or 'anti' any religion/tradition for that matter) is about zero."
That is because another Sikh assassinating a member of the Nehru family is nil. In the case of Muslims, the chances of another Godhra is very real; it is being enacted today in Surat. Jihad is a continuous process for eliminating non Muslims and for the establishment of world wide Caliphate and for the universal imposition of Sharia. The Hindu aggression is reflective of Islamic violence and it is necessary if you are interested in self preservation.
RAVI LOS ANGELES UNITED STATES Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 02:12:58PM (IST) >> At the height of the anti-Sikh riots in 1984 Congress leader Rajiv Gandhi said: "When a big tree falls, the earth will shake." History seems to have forgotten his statement
History will not judge a person on the basis of one lone statement a person utters. What is the overall ideology, drive, vision, mission, rhetoric, work, contribution etc of the person? The party apologized for anti-Sikh riots over and over again. The party has never been anti-Sikh. It is said that Indira Gandhi persisted with Sikh body guards even though many advised against in (in the wake of operation bluestar) on the basis that removing the body guards solely on basis of their religion amounts to communal discrimination and stereotyping. The chances of Congress committing an anti-Sikh atrocity again or indulging in anti-sikh communal rhetoric (or 'anti' any religion/tradition for that matter) is about zero.
KUMAR BANGALORE INDIA
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Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 02:12:58PM (IST) >> At the height of the anti-Sikh riots in 1984 Congress leader Rajiv Gandhi said: "When a big tree falls, the earth will shake." History seems to have forgotten his statement
History will not judge a person on the basis of one lone statement a person utters. What is the overall ideology, drive, vision, mission, rhetoric, work, contribution etc of the person? The party apologized for anti-Sikh riots over and over again. The party has never been anti-sikh. It is said that Indira Gandhi persisted with Sikh body guards even though many advised against in (in the wake of operation bluestar) on the basis that removing the body guards solely on basis of their religion amounts to communal discrimination and stereotyping. The chances of Congress committing an anti-sikh atrocity again or indulging in anti-sikh communal rhetoric (or 'anti' any religion/tradition for that matter) is about zero.
KUMAR BANGALORE INDIA Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 01:44:35PM (IST) "The law should have taken its course, and people should have revolted against a system that allowed it. It was painful when this process did not take place in full measure"
same measure should be applied to the genocide of Hindus in Kashmir. this happened under a "secular" national conference govt in the state and a "secular" congress govt at the centre. what happened in Gujarat 2002 can be compared to what happened in 1984. in both cases the govt machinery failed. but to say that guj 2002 was sponsored by BJP/MODI is playing in the hands of Muslim terrorists.
The so called secular media is fully responsible for this. it is no surprise that the "Indian mujahidin" is talking the same language of OUTLOOK and their cronies like Ashis Nandy & Teesta Setalwad. Why do you blame ORGANISER & other "Hindu fanatic" publications for the "rise of Hindu fundamentalism"??. OUTLOOK & other "secular" media says they are just making aware the common public the "atrocities" against Muslims in Gujarat. ORGANISER & other Hindu publications are doing the same thing, but about the genocide of Hindus in Kashmir. how come one is a villain and one is "secular".
There are many people who are convicted for guj 2002 riots. Not a single person is convicted for 1984 or the genocide against Hindus in Kashmir.
NAMO2 LONDON UNITED KINGDOM Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 01:29:04PM (IST) "At the height of the anti-Sikh riots in 1984 Congress leader Rajiv Gandhi said:
"When a big tree falls, the earth will shake." History seems to have forgotten his statement"
http://www.ibnlive.com/...der/69898-3-single.html
NAMO2 LONDON UNITED KINGDOM Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 01:26:44PM (IST) "Do you always publish everything that comes to you for publication?"
Only if it is against Hindus and in particular BJP.
NAMO2 LONDON UNITED KINGDOM Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 11:55:58AM (IST) Long live CM NAIM
JALEEL LUKNOW INDIA Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 09:20:30AM (IST) SALMAN KUREISHY DUBAI U.A.E 08:26:47AM (IST) I agree with you. But every second Muslim does not think like you do. There is no end for the cycle of revenge. But in the interest of the Muslims the earlier they disown and dump the Jihadi its better for thier own security, co-existence and future. These evil forces have now taken over the community and it will take awhile for them to fight them. The jihadis is reforming into a separate sect.
VINOD BANGALORE INDIA Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 08:52:03AM (IST) Ashok (to Kureishy),
>> Falling back to spurious root-cause theory.
Which you do unabashedly all the time!
ANWAR PATEL DALLAS TX UNITED STATES
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Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 08:40:30AM (IST) Salman Kuresishey,
"It seems to me that seeking fatwas is rather pointless. The best response to these mujahideens should be rational and based on principles. "By taking revenge through killing innocent civilians, you perpetrate the same crime against which you seek to protest. If killings of Muslims in Gujarat was criminal, it was so primarily because an unlawful revenge was inflicted on a hapless population. The law should have taken its course, and people should have revolted against a system that allowed it. It was painful when this process did not take place in full measure. But resorting to bombings and killings replicates the same crime and violates the principle that you seem to espouse- that innocents should not be killed. You should join the small but courageous people from all communities who have struggled for justice through democratic, legal and peaceful means".
Spoken like a true Muslim.
What you are saying, with your verbosity and long-winded speech is: that the Islamic Jihad started due to Gujarat Riots and Muslims are aggrieved but justified to do these acts of terrorism though not against innocent (against Modi is OK.
Though of course, the better option would have been to resort to lawful means, but that is denied to Muslims.
Falling back to spurious root-cause theory is the last but convenient resort of all closeted Jehadis like you.
ASHOK BANGALORE INDIA Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 08:26:47AM (IST) It seems to me that seeking fatwas is rather pointless. The best response to these mujahideens should be rational and based on principles. "By taking revenge through killing innocent civilians, you perpetrate the same crime against which you seek to protest. If killings of Muslims in Gujarat was criminal, it was so primarily because an unlawful revenge was inflicted on a hapless population. The law should have taken its course, and people should have revolted against a system that allowed it. It was painful when this process did not take place in full measure. But resorting to bombings and killings replicates the same crime and violates the principle that you seem to espouse- that innocents should not be killed. You should join the small but courageous people from all communities who have struggled for justice through democratic, legal and peaceful means".
SALMAN KUREISHY DUBAI U.A.E Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 05:17:53AM (IST) While various Muslim leaders and organizations have condemned terrorism in recent months, they should now emphatically denounce the E-mail letter of the so called Indian Mujahideen as a document that advances a perverse ideology of hate and revenge. Indian Islam should move in the opposite direction towards peace, tolerance, secularism and progress.
ANWAR PATEL DALLAS TX UNITED STATES Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 03:55:11AM (IST) >One cannot hope to convince the writers of the pamphlet of anything.
But one can hope to crush the writers of the pamphlet and their followers. Be ruthless and relentless in dealing with the scumbags.
BHUSHAN RICHMOND UNITED STATES Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 03:19:53AM (IST) "That's where Asghar Ali Engineer and C M Naim serve no purpose. The burden lies entirely on the Ulama of Deoband and Nadwa, and on the qazis and muftis in large and small towns"
Wonderful. So why Outlook wasted its time and energy in getting an opinion from someone who serves no purpose?
GANESAN NJ USA Daily Letters | 30 Jul, 2008 02:52:28AM (IST) "Most of the 'villains' they list by name and charge with specific criminal deeds are indeed villains."
Touche!! And this
"ut the self-proclaimed 'Mujahids' expose their imbalanced thinking when they generalise and accuse undifferentiated groups. "
Apparently the dude is OK if the villians mentioned are specifically targetted. He appears to oppose only the generalisation. And this is a liberal muslim. Allah Bless.
GANESAN NJ USA
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